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Re: “Where Is the Love? 

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Re: “Triumvirate

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Re: “Birds of a Feather


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Re: “Pompeo and the Saudi Crown Prince

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Re: “Birds of a Feather

I almost teared up after reading this frightfully-accurate condemnation of our present situation in this nation we call home. We ARE in trouble, and its worse for our coming generations. I have never missed voting in an election, yet most people I know (and love) have no interest in politics and THIS is why we are where we are. I feel as though were screwed. Sorry, son, I did MY best.

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Re: “#PayMe


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Re: “On Religious Discrimination

BJ continues with the dogmatic assertions: "The DABC has absolutely no impact on what you call 'responsible drinking,'" and "...prohibition, just like the war on drugs, had no impact on alcohol consumption." If there were any truth to this it would only lead one to think that the taxes remain economically insignificant or that all drinkers are full fledged alcoholics. But what we have seen recently with tobacco taxes is that if you gouge the smokers enough many will turn to vaping. And as for prohibition, a big reason for its repeal was the growing number of methanol deaths. Good numbers were impossible to come by but BJ would have us believe that death by poisoning deterred not a single soul from a little booze.

What Robinson and BJ (assuming they are different individuals) take as a given is that drinking is an entirely innocent activity (Jesus imbibed and so do I), and no one can challenge its innocence with any but religious motivation. They could as easily argue that pot remains illegal in Utah only because of LDS interference. Obviously the church has influence in these matters but this hardly has to do with theological concerns. Rather there is common sociological agreement that society pays a price for alcoholic consumption, which cost arises from the fact that many do not drink responsibly, so the state attempts to reimburse itself for some of that cost. If drinkers wish to cast blame on any they ought to direct the blame toward irresponsible drinkers, not the society or segments of society which must bear the expense of their behavior.

Prohibition says you can't drink legally. DABC says you can but you will pay through the nose. The innocent victim of your DUI may not be a Mormon. --AGF

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Posted by agfosterjr on 06/29/2018 at 1:59 PM

Re: “On Religious Discrimination

Just remember, the government control of the liquor business does not attempt to curb amounts of liquor being consumed by Utah's residents. Utahns can buy as much liquor as they can afford, get as drunk as they wish, and cause mayhem and deaths just like drinkers can in any other state. The DABC has absolutely no impact on what you call "responsible drinking." It simply gouges Utah drinkers, thereby favoring all those who don't drink. Mormonism may not be the "state religion," but it has virtually the same effect. As to the influx of non-Mormons, most of them consume alcohol, so the ill-gotten profits of the DABC are likely to dramatically swell in coming years, thereby funneling even more money to the benefit of the LDS population while "taxing" the non-believers.

As for Idaho's state-run lottery, you've used the same rationale, stating that Idaho is in the gambling business because many people can't gamble responsibly. Please note that there are no restrictions on how much a person spends on the Idaho State Lottery. A person with modest means can spend their entire paycheck, leave their children without adequate food or housing, and go entirely broke using the state-run-and-regulated system. In no way, does it create any safety mechanisms to prevent "irresponsible gambling." So, once again the argument misses its mark.

And prohibition, just like the war on drugs, had no impact on alcohol consumption. It merely forced a clandestine "privatization" effort which was highly successful, increasing the power of organized crime, and making some people--including the Kennedys--insanely rich. During Prohibition, those who wanted to drink continued to drink.

And it goes to say that those who choose to use drugs will always be able to find them.

Now tell me about the glories of state run businesses!

Posted by BroncoJockey on 06/27/2018 at 3:10 PM

Re: “American Terrorist

Robinson reminds me of Chomsky: "the Republican party is the most dangerous organization in human history." He talks like a socialist propagandist. --AGF

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Posted by agfosterjr on 06/27/2018 at 10:22 AM

Re: “Shooting the Watchdog

For the antidote, see "Pointman."

Posted by agfosterjr on 06/27/2018 at 10:16 AM

Re: “On Religious Discrimination

In his piece, "On Religious Discrimination" (see ), Michael S. Robinson Sr makes too many dogmatic assertions to treat in one sitting but we can tackle a few. Let's start with this one:

"Why is our government in the liquor business, when that is something legitimately left to private enterprise?"

Obviously Robinson takes for granted that Prohibition was an illegitimate endeavor, but the fact is, not all drinkers can drink responsibly. It seems Prohibition caused more problems than it solved and Utah's approach offered a compromise: state controlled sales of strong liquor. But analogous to Robinson's decree, we might say Idaho has no business running a state lottery; leave gambling to private enterprise as in Nevada. But the fact remains, not all can gamble responsibly. Some would even say a lottery is a tax on statistical incompetence. So half way between outlawed gambling and legal casinos Idaho has a lottery. How is that different from Utah's state liquor stores? Would it constitute a mingling of (an anti-gambling) church and state if Utah were to follow Idaho's example?

Michael Robinson combines the problem of separation of church and state in Utah with the liquor profits of the state monopoly to assert that with the "sin tax" non-Mormons are unfairly subsidizing the Mormon lifestyle-- especially unfairly since non-Mormons suffer the additional burden of paying for the education of large LDS families. Where to begin.

1) One might ask if Prohibition constituted a federal collusion of church and state.

2) One might wish to distinguish between direct ecclesiastical interference (e.g., where a church official hypothetically threatened an LDS legislator with excommunication), and democratic expression of religious sentiment at the voting booth.

3) One might compare the $100 million figure (which Robinson pulls out of the air) with the cost of police protection dedicated to enforcing DUI laws as well as court and jail expenses diverted to keep the roads safe from drunk drivers. (Not to mention hospital costs of those injured in DUI accidents--who is subsidizing who?)

The argument that even gentile teetotalers subsidize the schooling of large LDS families is an old one, and of course peculiar to Utah, but it has its problems as well:

1) The LDS birth rate is steadily declining, lagging the non-LDS rate by about 20 years, while out of state migration is increasing.

2) Non-LDS citizens constitute a growing fraction of the population. Some segments of this immigrant population have birthrates comparable to the LDS rate.

3) The complaint ignores the philosophy that in reality each citizen pays for his own education after one becomes a contributing tax payer. It supposes that old bachelors should never have to pay into the fund since they have no children to burden the state--his parents are to blame for his schooling expenses.

4) Robinson's penultimate conclusion:

"Its time to go back to the basics: 1) End the DABCs abuse of private enterprise and allow competition. 2) Allow Utahs non-Mormons to get what they want at non-discriminatory prices. 3) End the practice of forcing non-Mormons to pick up the tab for the state religion."

The "war on drugs" is certainly an attack on capitalism, but it harly constitutes federal collusion of church and state. --AGF

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Posted by agfosterjr on 06/27/2018 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Mormons and Pot

To nit pick his use of quotation marks as a way as to not respond to his overall point is kind of silly and closed minded. Don't you think?

Fact of the matter is, he is right. There is no reason for Medical Marijuana to not already be legal given all the good it can do in ending suffering.

And let me take this one step further. In a state where smoking cigarettes and partaking of alcohol is legal, what is the hang up with recreational use of Marijuana? Why is this the rallying cry of those opposed to legalizing medical use? It strikes me as a very ignorant and uninformed stance to take.

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Posted by David Hunt on 05/08/2018 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Mormons and Pot

When you use quotation marks, most readers assume that you are quoting something verbatim. And yet President Hinckley never called the Iraq War a "just war". He said some wars are justified, but all are horrific. When you can't get even the most basic facts right, it destroys your credibility for everything else you have to say.

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Posted by Dustin Cammack on 04/26/2018 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Dear Orrin

Credit where credit is due, pshaw! Credit is always a 2-way street. Pretty soft on the guy with front row seats to the demise of America and its political system. Pro Tip: Dollars and Party wins every time with the UT GOP....Challenge and Leadership are sucker bets!

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Posted by Snofl8k on 02/22/2018 at 4:22 PM

Re: “Plane Dogs

There is also the airline that has charged exorbitant fees for dogs to travel and compromised their safety by putting them with the luggage.

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Posted by Therappy Pal on 01/10/2018 at 12:57 PM

Re: “Not Home for the Holidays

Aspen I totally understand your loss as you know my mom and Travis death dates were within a day of each other yet years apart. I can only speak for myself, but I still miss her as if it was yesterday. At times I find myself sad at this time of year,then I recall how much my mom (Aunt Marilyn) loved Christmas and wouldn't want us to be sad and I'm sure Travis feels the same. I loved you article it will hut home with many of our this year as we've lost a few family members this. Thoughts and prayers with our. Love you all Loraine Hardy

Posted by Loraine Layton Hardy on 12/21/2017 at 5:41 PM

Re: “You Down With NPV?

Being a constitutional republic does not mean we should not and cannot guarantee the election of the presidential candidate with the most popular votes. The candidate with the most votes wins in every other election in the country.

Guaranteeing the election of the presidential candidate with the most popular votes and the majority of Electoral College votes (as the National Popular Vote bill would) would not make us a pure democracy.

Pure democracy is a form of government in which people vote on all policy initiatives directly.

Popular election of the chief executive does not determine whether a government is a republic or democracy.

The presidential election system, using the 48 state winner-take-all method or district winner method of awarding electoral votes used by 2 states, that we have today was not designed, anticipated, or favored by the Founding Fathers. It is the product of decades of change precipitated by the emergence of political parties and enactment by states of winner-take-all or district winner laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution.

The Constitution does not encourage, discourage, require, or prohibit the use of any particular method for how to award a state's electoral votes

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Posted by oldgulph on 10/04/2017 at 2:47 PM

Re: “You Down With NPV?

Western states don't have influence.

Because of state-by-state winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution. . .

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in 2015 was correct when he said
"The nation as a whole is not going to elect the next president,"
The presidential election will not be decided by all states, but rather just 12 of them.

Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind.

With the end of the primaries, without the National Popular Vote bill in effect, the political relevance of 70% of all Americans was finished for the presidential election.

In the 2016 general election campaign

Over half (57%) of the campaign events were held in just 4 states (Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Ohio).

Virtually all (94%) of the campaign events were in just 12 states (containing only 30% of the country's population).

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Posted by oldgulph on 10/04/2017 at 2:47 PM

Re: “Neckties

Rasmuson, a true loser. glomming onto a kid, a child, to try for some notoriety? full loser.

Posted by Robert Bryan on 08/20/2017 at 1:44 PM

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