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Re: “Sold Out

Just moved here from DC, where I had been involved in urban revitalization issues since around 2000 (and have blogged about such since 2005).

Your article missed three big points. 1. You compared this project to projects owned by other churches in other cities. But what distinguished this project was that it was decidedly for profit business development, not a community development project building retirement housing for low income church members.

2. I saw a presentation about this development at a real estate conference c.. 2013 and they made the point that the church did the development in order to retain value in the Downtown and more importantly proximate to the Church complex, that they feared with the development of the Gateway and other projects, that this area would decline.

As a result they were willing to spend extra-normal amounts of money to do the project, and to take extraordinarily positive steps wrt urban design and quality. It's very interesting. It's more like how corporations "back in the day" would build signature headquarters to project corporate power (think the General Motors Building, Woolworth Building, and Chrysler Building in NYC).

Because of that the church was also willing to take its time selling the units. They weren't motivated by immediate profit so much because the City Creek development is self-financed, so they could focus on maximizing sale price not speed to sell out the project, because ultimately, unlike typical developers "they aren't moving on." As you know, it's practically unheard of for a traditional developer to take 7 or more years to sell out a condo project.

Posted by RICHARD LAYMAN on 11/01/2019 at 7:29 AM

Re: “Shelter For All

Babs, thank you for your kind and uplifting comments. I dont know about sainthood, but we are definitely guided by the 65 souls who have experienced the end of life with dignity in our home. Since the NIMBYs are so hypercritical of the term shelter, I would like to clarify that The INN Between is not a homeless shelter, but rather a Medical Respite and End-of-life Facility.

-Kim Correa, Executive Director, The INN Between

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Posted by Kim Correa on 08/16/2019 at 9:10 AM

Re: “Ridin' the Rails

Informative article except for ONE major slip-up. The UTA S-Line is NOT A STREETCAR.

There was discussion some time back about extending the S-Line as a streetcar running up 1100 East. The existing S-Line is completely dedicated railway - there is no sharing of rail and road by both train and automobile traffic. This sharing of right-of-way is what defines a streetcar (not its speed, for example). The other TRAX lines do have some shared right-of-way for vehicular left-turn lanes, but that minimal portion of their total route hardly makes them a streetcar.

My major concern about the use of "streetcar" is that this might be a part of a misinformation campaign to make people think that any future discussion of "streetcar" will be for something like the S-Line (which is NOT a streetcar) and not something that is going to be competing with them in their vehicle on the same road.

Thanks for the articles.

Posted by RFG on 08/12/2019 at 10:43 PM

Re: “Bedtime

To Clarify- The Trans-Jordan Landfill will accept up to 3 mattresses included in the tipping fee - Not free. ($31 a ton or a $10 minimum.) A $15 per mattresses disposal fee is enforced for 4 or more mattresses.

Posted by Jill Fletcher on 07/18/2019 at 2:54 PM

Re: “The Forgotten Ones

----The social stigma surrounding mental hospitals has been widely exaggerated by the media.

The realities of mental institutions were regularly exposed by more than journalists. And no, they were not exaggerating. The term "asylum", a place of safety, became its own antonym, a place of horror, due to those realities. No revisionist history will change that.

Posted by Harold Maio on 07/10/2019 at 1:25 PM

Re: “St. Gorgeous!

what a discusting pig babs delay is

Posted by Halley Jenkins on 07/08/2019 at 8:41 AM

Re: “Water Terror

Anyone interested in reading filtered and edited information posted on little fluoridefreewherever antifluoridationist websites is certainly welcome to do so. However, intelligent readers are far better served by accessing accurate information on fluoridation from respected, reliable sources. The websites of the US CDC, the US EPA, the American Dental Association, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, each has a wealth of such information readily available to anyone.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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Posted by Steven Slott on 03/01/2019 at 4:52 AM

Re: “Water Terror

Really good talks by fluoride experts at the Otago University last year explains how fluoride, even at the doses received by people drinking fluoridated water, lowers childrens IQ.

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Posted by Mary Byrne on 03/01/2019 at 1:27 AM

Re: “Water Terror

Some good information here except:

A. Fluoride is odorless, tasteless, and colorless. It did not turn the water yellow,

B. Peer-reviewed science has shown that fluoride does not accelerate pipe corrosion or strip copper and lead from pipes.

The theory of increased lead uptake associated with fluoridation substances was refuted by Urbansky/Schock in 2000, Jackson in 2002, and Macek in 2006.

1. Overall, we conclude that no credible evidence exists to show that water fluoridation has any quantitatable effects on the solubility, bioavailability, bioaccumulation, or reactivity of lead(0) or lead(II) compounds. The governing factors are the concentrations of a number of other species, such as (bi)carbonate, hydroxide, or chloride, whose effects far exceed those of fluoride or fluorosilicates under drinking water conditions.

-----Can Fluoridation Affect Lead (II) In Potable Water? Hexafluorosilicate and Fluoride Equilibria In Aqueous Solution
Urbansky, E.T., Schocks, M.R.Intern. J . Environ. Studies, 2000, Voi. 57. pp. 597-637

2. The presence of fluoride at a concentration on 1 mg/l will have practically no effect on thechemical speciation and bioavailability of iron, copper or lead.
At a concentration of 1 mg/l as F, fluoride could not cause significant interactions between other chemical species in drinking water. Fluoride at a concentration of 1 mg/l will havenegligible impact on corrosivity of water towards the distribution system.
The quantities of trace metals impurities added as a result of fluoridation are very small and would have no discernible impact on toxicity of drinking water.

----Jackson PJ, Harvey PW, Young WF (2002). Chemistry and bioavailability aspects of fluoride in drinking water. WRc-NSF Report July 2002.

3. Given these findings, our analyses, though not definitive, do not support concerns that silicofluorides in community water systems cause higher PbB concentrations in children. Current evidence does not provide a basis for changing water fluoridation practices, which have a clear public health benefit.

---Blood Lead Concentrations in Children and Method of Water Fluoridation in the United States, 1988-1994
Environ Health Perspec. 2006 January; 114 (1): 130-134
Mark D. Macek, Thomas D. Matte, Thomas Sinks, and Delores M. Malvi

C. Fluoride in toothpaste is at a concentration 1200-1500 times that in optimally fluoridated water. While one-shot applications in toothpaste are certainly useful in decay prevention, the fluoride dissipates after an hour or so. Fluoridated water, on the other hand, provides a consistent bathing of the teeth in a low concentration of fluoride all throughout the day, a very effective means of dental decay prevention. Fluoridated toothpaste, optimally fluoridated water, and all other viable means of decay prevention, are meant to work in conjunction with each other, not as one or the other. Given the overwhelming problem with dental decay, we need all the help we can get in combatting it.

D. Yes, unless you want a significant increase in very dangerous dental infection in your community, you do, indeed, still want fluoride in the water. There is no downside to it.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

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Posted by Steven Slott on 02/28/2019 at 5:58 AM

Re: “Goodbye UTA

Trouble being that the gas tax hits everyone, not just those who could use transit. It's also regressive, given that the poor drive the longest distances. The free fair zone serves only to turn Trax into a rolling homeless shelter. My conference stays in other cities simply include a free 3-day pass.

Posted by Matt Miller on 11/02/2018 at 11:40 AM

Re: “Rose Park to Magna

Jeepers, I missed this article from last week (Aug. 8, 2018) and I do apologize. Usually I'm looking for John's wit and wisdom. Anyway, Rose Park? Are you kidding? Rose Park has a notorious if not seamy underbelly that rarely gets any attention whatsoever. Well maybe apart from Court Records. Besides, Rose Park sends high school kids to West High. Yes, West High home of the Panthers. The West High Panthers used to be scandalous.
I can suppose that with the passage of years and rising property values, Rose Park's reputation may have mellowed. It is possible. Once upon a time and way back in the day, Rose Park was home to the Salt Lake City dump. Oh yes, that is true.
Ah northwest Salt Lake, those were the days.

Posted by Donal the Apostate on 08/16/2018 at 10:22 AM

Re: “Post-Retailer

It appears you purposely left out Young Livings international convention, which brings over 30,000!

Posted by 827CountryGirl on 02/16/2018 at 5:46 PM

Re: “New Ambassadors

Annoyed by Panhandlers?
Have fun with it!
Submit Your Panhandler Photos and Vote for Your Favorites!

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Posted by Pete Dixon on 11/15/2017 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Summer at the Drive-In

Actually, there are only 5 remaining drive-ins left in Utah. You listed the Sunset Drive-in in Vernal, but the Sunset closed in 2013 after a fryer fire destroyed the concession building. There are also several remaining drive-ins in bordering states. Visit to locate them all and learn more about each of them. Three of the remaining five drive-ins are in the Salt Lake City area.

Posted by Nick Hensgen on 08/31/2017 at 6:49 AM

Re: “Summer at the Drive-In

Just a thought about "bringing your own goodies": Theatre owners make almost nothing from ticket sales; those proceeds go to the studios. Any drive-in owner or operator will tell that concession sales are key to their staying in business. So please patronize the concession stand when you go to a drive-in theatre. Otherwise, you may soon find there's no drive-in left.

Posted by cladrite on 08/30/2017 at 3:34 PM

Re: “Say No to the Squat-and-Go

And some countries (like Thailand) have the Hand Bidet Sprayer which is even better than toilet paper and what we should be getting in the US. See

Posted by bidetsprayerman on 08/10/2017 at 7:38 PM

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Ski, Boards and Ice

Interesting article. I arrived here from a link to the article on this skateboard video ->

Posted by David A Riewe on 01/26/2017 at 6:14 AM

Re: “Rental Blues

I personally think your information is deceptive at best the problem is that these developers are.owned controlled by the church and the fact that most if these apartments are being filled up by young L.D.S.leaders children who are basically using church money to foot the bill combating any one not L.D.S should not live in the downtown area and for a fact that. Most if these people who are renting these apartments are young and controlled by the religion and everything is deceptive and not what it should be Utah is trying to act like it is a new York style but falls heavily short on the fact that it don't like clubs rap music or any entertainment that is not P.G and that makes salt lake city biggest expensive high rent of nothing to offer any one at all the rents are three times the amount of the income and most only work like 39 hours a week at that part time what a joke !!!!!

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Posted by Mh48eh@gmail on 04/26/2016 at 7:37 PM

Re: “TRAXie

Oh my stars, this made my day! You tell Ed that if he changes his mind, I'm happy to record a special message just for him. ;)

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Posted by sarasrad on 03/31/2016 at 3:59 PM

Re: “Nit Pickers

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Posted by Larada Sciences on 03/24/2016 at 11:14 AM

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