Before
we go into interviews, I need to be honest... May sucked for trying
to cover shows. Everything I tried to book either fell through or had
bands I already interviewed. I thought this was going to be an
awesome month, but really a lot of the most promising shows never
came to fruition. What's up with that? So... we're using digital duct-tape today, and I'm
putting two bands from two separate shows together, call it good and
hope like hell that June turns out better. ---
First up we have
the indie-rock soundings of Kid Theodore, taken from three weeks ago
at the Urban Lounge as they played with Tolchock Trio at the final
show for the now officially broken up Future Of The Ghost. Then from
this past Friday we have the punk metal band INVDRS as they played
opening at Burt's Tiki Lounge for OldTimer and Tarrakian. Pics for KT are available over here, but you can check out INVDRS pics over here.
Kid Theodore
(Ryan Darton, Cole Barnson, Gardner Stevenett & Brandon
McBride)
http://www.kidtheodore.com/
Gavin:
Hey guys, first off, tell us a little about yourselves.
Ryan:
We
are Kid Theodore- a four piece rock and roll band, born and raised in
the Utah of USA. We haven't always been the way we are now and wont
always be like this. We're always growing and changing.
Gavin: What
got you interested in music, and who were some of your favorite acts
and musical influences growing up?
Ryan:
Honestly I have my Dad to
blame for this obsession with music that I have. I grew up listening
to a lot of the the Beatles, the Doors, Boston, BTO, Bob Dylan. The
classics.
Brandon: My brother got me into music by introducing me to Radiohead.
Still my favorite along with the Beatles. I'm currently listening to
TV On The Radio, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Franz Ferdinand, Tom Waits, Bob
Dylan, The Strokes, and the Rolling Stones.
Gavin: How
did you get together and form Kid Theodore?
Ryan:
Kid Theodore started as an idea that I had to gather all of the best
musicians that I had become friends with since my teenage years. I
wanted to have a band with all of the best so that we could push each
other to stand out from the rest of the music scene. Since the first
days of Kid Theodore we've had a lot of members come and go but we
have been progressing with each change and while it's been hard to
see some people throw in the towel it has been good for us in a way.
Unlike the dinosaurs, we have evolved to survive.
Gavin: Everything
you do is from a DIY approach. Was that pre-planned from the start of
something you eventually fell into doing?
Ryan: I think it has been a blessing that we have generally always
had band members with fairly good work ethic. We understand that
success isn't going to fall into our laps. In my eyes, the amount of
work and time you are willing to put into "making it" very
much reflects how much you believe in yourself and what you are
doing. I believe that bands that aren't so DIY don't really believe
in themselves.
Gavin: What
was it like for you guys recording the Goodnight...
Goodnight EP?
Cole:
Recording Goodnight...
Goodnight was a fantastic
experience. For most of us it was our first real recording
experience. It gave us a chance to really be creative in the
production. Sometimes I will pull it up on the ol' iTunes and get
some of those songs stuck in my brain for days. I am still very proud
of it.
Gavin: What
was the public reaction to it when it finally came out?
Cole: When we released
our EP, we really didn't know what we were doing or trying to
accomplish except for getting an EP out. We had no direction or real
worry about getting it to the masses. So, we printed about 1000 and
Ryan figured out a way to get them on iTunes. The next thing we know
it is getting positive write ups national blogs, which if you follow
blogs, many of the bloggers read other blogs to figure out what to
blog about. This caused a chain reaction, and lots of people noticed
Goodnight...Goodnight and loved it. I think in many ways our
EP was excepted better than Hello Rainey.
Gavin: You
also toured around a lot early on. How were some of those early tours
for you?
Brandon:
Our first tour I was
actually a roadie for. I think it wasn't quite what we expected. It
seems we thought booking the show was the end of the battle but we
quickly found out a lot of hard work goes into touring. Those tours
were cramped too because we were a 6 piece in a little van. Now we
are a 4 piece in a 37' bus. Movin' on up.
Gavin: What
was the feeling like when you were finally recording the full
length?
Brandon:
Hello Rainey was
a lot of fun to make because we had a lot of great songs and even
more ideas for them. The problems we had were with time. We were
funding it ourselves so we had to knock it out pretty quick and had
to have everything set before we went into the studio. Also, we had
to record everything separate cause getting us all together for
recording live would have been a nightmare. But we would have at
least two of us on every session and we would have fun in
Pairs.
Gavin: How
did you take all the praise you were getting for Hello
Rainey?
Ryan: We put a lot of thought, money, time, arguing, sleeplessness,
and sub sandwiches into the making of that album. To have people
appreciate is fulfilling. It still puts a smile on my face.
Gavin: What
did you think about making it into the City
Weekly Music Awards this
year?
Gardner:
We are always happy to work with City Weekly and are flattered
by there continued support and coverage of our work. That's the kind
of answer Public Relations people live for.
Gavin:
I've seen you've been working on demos, how the next album coming
along?
Cole: I am not quite
sure. We have been writing on and off for the past year, and most of
what we wrote was either cut or never grew to fruition. I think we
are a little more picky about the songs we write which causes our
songs to be more solid, but is taking awhile to build enough for a
really good album. we have recorded those rough demos to get a feel
of how the ones we like are excepted.
Gavin:
A little state-wide, what are your thoughts on the local music scene,
both good and bad?
Ryan: Utah is full of
so many great musicians and artists. I'm constantly amazed. I feel
that there are so many artists here that everyone in the world needs
to see or hear. Off the top of my head- Lake Mary, Band Of Annuals,
Joshua James, Devil Whale, Calico, Asher In The Rye. We love the Utah
scene and especially Salt Lake. The hardest part about all of this is
that while Utah has the cream of the crop, the industry is having a
hard time seeing that. It's with a few rare exceptions that you see a
band from Utah make it to the professional level.
Gavin:
Is there anything you believe could be done to make it better?
Ryan: Once Kid
Theodore is international we'll start plugging Salt Lake nonstop. Uh.
I'm not sure how but we've got to get the industry to look at our
humble state.
Gavin:
Who are your favorite acts in the scene right now?
Brandon:
Future
Of The Ghost is now done which we are all sad about. But Will Sartain
is always making great music. Laserfang is incredible dance music.
Palace Of Buddies make some incredible tunes as well.
Gavin:
What do you think of the current trends in music that are getting
radio play today?
Gardner: Me and our
on-and-off sound guy have had great debates about this. It is my
opinion that the current state of mainstream music is about to get
shown the door by "indie" music. I won't go into all of it,
but the similarities between now and the rock n roll boom of the
early 60's are astounding. Within two years, pop will be good again.
Heard it here first.
Gavin:
What's your take on file sharing and how it affects you as a
musician?
Brandon:
We
have had great debates about this too. It is my opinion that it is
just another platform switch. When vinyl went to tape, people freaked
out. When CD-Rs came along, people freaked out. Now MP3's have people
freaking out. But that's just what technology does. It advances, and
consumers and businesses adapt. Artists, or business types that latch
onto artists, will always figure a way out to get paid for their
work. Its just a new medium. Calm down my little butterflies.
Gavin:
What can we expect from you guys the rest of the year?
Cole: We are on a quest
to play more shows then we ever have this year. we are moving to
sunny California and trying to write enough songs to release an
album.
Gavin:
Is there anything you'd like to plug or promote?
Ryan:
I'm experimenting with an idea that, if it works, I will grow corn
cobs from my ears. One cob per ear per season.
Brandon:
We are moving our home base to California in June. That's fun. Also,
Ryan's idea won't work. I am making sure of it.
INVDRS
(Gavin Hoffman, Phillip White, Sean McClaugherty
& Dave Moss)
http://www.myspace.com/invadersdoom
Gavin:
Hey guys, first off, tell us a little about yourselves.
Gavin
H: Heh. Phil Summons
demons with his throat, Dave and Sean provide ungodly tone with
guitar and bass respectively, and I attempt to hold down some sort of
a backbeat. We've all been in bands with varying degrees of success
for at least the past 15 years, including, but not limited to, God's
Iron Tooth, Clear, Iodina, Hammergun, Dirty Girls, Art of Kanly, We
All Fall Down and Her Blacklist.
Phillip: My name is
Phillip white and I sing for Salt Lake City’s only true black metal
band, INVDRS.
Gavin: What got you interested in music,
and who were some of your favorite acts and musical influences
growing up?
Phillip: Seeing Iron Maiden on the “Number
Of The Beast” tour when I was 8 years old. Also, I really wanted to
be Simon Lebon when I was a kid but unfortunately I wasn’t as good
looking and my vocal range wasn’t up to par. That’s why I stuck
to metal. Growing up in my house there was music being played all the
time. I grew up on the Stones, Sabbath, Otis Redding, Zeppelin,
Hendrix and Pink Floyd. My mom was a huge soul freak and my dad was
your typical rock n' roll dude. As I got older I followed the musical
path of destruction, heavy metal-punk/hardcore-death/black metal and
all things psychedelic.
Gavin H:
Personally, I've been interested in music since my dad first
played me The Beatles, who are one of my favorite bands to this day.
What got me interested in actually playing music in bands, for
audiences, was seeing an old SLC hardcore band called Reality play
when I was in 9th grade or so. I started thinking to
myself there might not actually be such a separation between seeing a
band play live and being in a band people would come to see play
live. As for influences, mine are pretty eclectic: anything from, as
previously mentioned, Beatles to old UK punk (Crass, Conflict, Flux
Of Pink Indians, and especially Rudimentary Peni), to stuff like
Ned's Atomic Dustbin, and even Oasis, to first- and second-wave black
metal like Bathory, Darkthrone, and Burzum, and obviously sludge/doom
stuff like Eyehategod, Iron Monkey, and Greenmachine. For the record,
the new Sunno))) album kills it.
Gavin: How did you get
together and plan out that initial single session?
Gavin H: Dave and I started a band called Spur sometime in 2006, I
think, after having a drunken discussion about starting a sludge
metal project. When our bassist left that band, we entered into
discussion with Sean about replacing him, and soon after found out
Phil was moving here from Long Beach, California. It seemed almost
too perfect... Sean and Phil had known each other for years, dating
back to the old SLC hardcore scene when Sean was in Clear, and Sean
and I had been in Iodina together, so we were already familiar with
each others' playing styles. Coincidentally, both Sean and Phil were
a part of the final Her Blacklist recording session/show. It was
strictly an improv band, and we asked Sean if he'd like to play bass
for the last performance, which was actually a live recording session
with John Burdick, and Phil just happened to be in town that night on
vacation, so we invited him to come down and do vocals. Regardless,
we were all fans of one of Phil's previous bands, God's Iron Tooth,
so we knew what he could bring to the table, so we decided to get
together to make the loudest, dirtiest, heaviest, most gnarly music
salt lake had ever heard.
Phillip: The rest of the
dudes started to jam before I moved out here from Long Beach. I went
to practice with them the first week I was out here and they played
the one song they had. I did my thing to it and was like “what do
you jerks think?" I’m pretty sure they knew I was going to be
in the band before I even went to that practice.
Gavin:
What made you decide to get a band going off that one set?
Phillip:
I have known Sean for over ten years and we always used to talk about
doing a band like INVDRS. So when I practiced with the dudes that
first night, I think it was a given that this line up of heavy metal
hordes were gonna kill.
Gavin H: Well, it was pretty much decided this was going to be an
all-or-nothing band from when we all first talked about it. We didn't
want to "give 'er the old college try." This was
it.
Gavin: How was it in the early goings and learning
to play as a group?
Gavin H: It was tough, initially. Dave and I had gotten semi-familiar
with each others' playing when we were doing SPUR, and Sean and I
were familiar with each others' playing from Iodina, but lumping all
four of us together, especially considering the somewhat lofty
expectations we all had for this band, was kind of a hindrance at
first. It took us awhile to really nail down what we were going for.
Regardless of what people might think, it's kind of strange going
from slow, heavy, dirgy, 10-minute songs immediately into a 2-minute
long punk jam, and doing it the way we felt it needed to be done was
a little tricky. Thus far, we've been exceedingly slow in terms of
writing music, which is mainly because we know what we want, and not
every riff, beat, or vocal pattern we come up with is going to work
the way we want it to. Call us a perfectionist sludge band,
basically... if there ever was such a thing.
Phillip:
We are very picky as to what we want out of this band. INVDRS end up
taking our sweet time when it comes to writing and playing live. All
of us have been playing music for a LONG time and we have all been
friends for almost the same amount of time.
Gavin: What
was it like getting on SLUG's Localized set?
Phillip:
The SLUG Localized show was a ton of fun. We were fortunate
that Angela let us pick the bands for the night; actually Jason Knott
from Minerva was the one who set it up. It was the perfect gathering
for all of our close friends to come out for a night and party their
asses off. Dany Vespar and his band of amazing musicians killed it
that night, Minerva played the best set of they’re short lived
career and INVDRS melted some brains.
Gavin H: I personally had mixed feelings about it. since I write for
SLUG, I had the obvious "favoritism" thoughts run
through my head, but at the same time, I felt like it was an awesome
platform for INVDRS. Sean and I were both doing Minerva at the time
as well, who played that night directly before INVDRS, and having
both of us pull double-duty was a bit exhausting, but it was
ultimately an awesome show. It was the kind of show we try to one-up
every time we play live.
Gavin: What led up to the
“ill-fated” show at Red Light, and how did you get signed up on
their label?
Gavin H: This... is an interesting question. Basically, the show we
played at Red Light was shut down by the cops directly after our set,
so we ended up being the only band to play there that night, which
was a bummer. As for being "signed to" Red Light Sounds,
this is a very tender subject right now. As it stands, we are
releasing our debut CD, Electric Church, on a DIY
sludge/doom/punk label from California called Corruption
Recordings.
Phillip: The only thing "ill-fated
“about that night at Red Light was it getting shut down after we
played. INVDRS were never "signed" to the Red Light label
and we are not doing our record with them. Our full length will be
out this summer on Corruption Records out of Los Angeles. Jason from
Corruption is a very old friend of mine from L.A. and has been
running a DIY label for many years. Let’s just say he definitely
has his shit together.
Gavin: What's the progress like
on the upcoming album, and what's it like working with Andy
Patterson?
Phillip: The record was put off for a little
bit but now I’m ready to finish it up. I actually had a pretty
funny conversation with A.P. a couple of days ago about it. Working
with him is so laid back and it never feels like you’re under any
pressure. We pretty much party the entire time INVDRS are in the
studio anyways.
Gavin H: The process has unfortunately been a bit on the slow side.
All instrument tracking is done - at least, for now - and we hope to
have the vocals completed in the next week or so so we can begin
mixing by early June. Working with Andy is always a pleasure; all of
us have worked with him on past projects, with the exception of Phil.
Andy's just one of those guys who, ahem, "gets" what we're
going for, and he's always up for a challenge. plus, he's a great
"ideas guy." Even when we rolled in to record with the
massive amount of gear we have, he never suggested that we cut back
volume or use less gear because he knows what INVDRS is all about.
Also, our recording sessions with Andy generally degenerate into a
big drunken party, so we're not really "working" when we
record with him.
Gavin: Will you be planning any kind
of a tour after the release?
Gavin H: We are booked to play the Outsleazed Fest in California in
July, I believe, but we haven't discussed doing a proper tour, as
such. All four of us have what most would consider to be "corporate"
jobs, and Sean has a family, so touring just isn't as feasible for us
as it would be for a band with younger members and fewer
responsibilities. On top of that, doing a full-blown tour would be
tough on all of us. It's hard enough having to lug our stuff from our
practice space to a local venue every once in awhile... I can only
imagine how gnarly it would get having to lug that stuff on and off
stage every night for a tour! You never really appreciate the
simplicity of a straight-up half-cab guitar setup until you triple or
quadruple it and you have to move it whenever you play a
show.
Phillip: Touring for INVDRS is leaving Salt Lake
for more than one day. The only thing out of state we have planned is
going to Long Beach to play Outsleazed Fest. We might do some other
out of town dates this summer but that’s about it for touring. That
is unless; somebody wants to pay for us to go over seas.
Gavin:
A little state-wide, what are your thoughts on the local music scene,
both good and bad?
Phillip: Its no where near the size
of LA but that's why I think it’s so special. You have all
different types of music being played and there are a few great spots
to play at. I could go out every night and see a band here. My
biggest problem about playing music in SLC has to be with some of the
clubs. YOU DON'T PAY SOMEBODY MORE MONEY TO PLAY MUSIC BETWEEN BANDS
THAN YOU DO THE ACTUAL BANDS, especially if you call that person a
sound guy and all you have is a vocal mic PA system.
Gavin
H: I have to speak
solely for myself here... I love, have always loved, and will always
love the SLC music scene, but it seems like people have kind of
sequestered themselves into whatever facet of the "scene"
they feel they fit with, and they have a hard time stepping out of
their comfort zones to experience new things. Salt Lake has always
been that way, though. For instance, I also play the drums for a punk
band called AZON, and I don't think I've seen more than a handful of
the same people come out for an INVDRS show and an AZON show, when to
me, they're both punk bands, essentially, and they both hit hard, so
why wouldn't I go check out both bands? Unfortunately, I myself have
a hard time getting out to local shows anymore, so I'm probably
somewhat of a hypocrite, but that's mainly due to social anxiety as
opposed to lack of interest.
Gavin: Is there anything
you believe could be done to make it better?
Gavin H: The scene? Yeah. More all-ages shows, better turnouts and
more support from people who follow local music, as well as people
being able to expand their musical tastes and stop being so fucking
pretentious. that being said, we are friends with a rather large
consortium of local bands, musicians, and artists from varying
backgrounds and with varying tastes, which I think is amazing, and it
makes us all happy to know that people who wouldn't normally listen
to something as abrasive as INVDRS will come check us out, and we in
turn love being able to see good local bands play, or check their
recordings out, even if they aren't "cut from the same cloth"
as INVDRS, musically or personally.
Phillip: I totally
agree with Gavin.
Gavin: Who are your favorite acts in
the scene right now?
Phillip: I think Eagle Twin is
about to change heavy music in the same way the Melvins did in the
late 80’s. Iota is an awesome band that I don’t get to see play
very often. All Systems Fail and AZON are probably two of my favorite
punk bands playing right now, not just in SLC. I have always dug The
Wolfs. I’m stoked to see Form Of Rocket playing again. Andale
always put on a great show and I really dig their record. There are
some really good bands around this town.
Gavin H: The upside to the local scene right now is that there is
absolutely NO shortage of awesome bands. Eagle Twin is amazing! We go
back with those guys a long way. IOTA is supremely underrated locally
as well as nationally. OldTimer are rad kids, and are fun as hell to
share the stage with. All Systems Fail is, in my opinion, the best
punk band Utah has ever seen, and yet they never seem to get the
recognition they deserve. Nine Worlds is rad, and, although they're
from Denver, Black Sleep Of Kali is a band people should start paying
attention to. I could go on and on, but I think I've name-dropped
enough for the time being.
Gavin: What do you think of
the current trends in music that are getting radio play today?
Gavin
H: F&$% music
trends. I've always felt that people who listen to mainstream radio
aren't actually fans of music; rather, they are people who feel that
they need to be spoonfed a soundtrack for their boring lives, and
they need to stay current on whatever "hot jamz" they might
be date-raping to at "da cloughb." I'm bombarded with music
every day, seeing as I listen to it, I play it, I write about it, and
I sell it (I have a part-time job at a local record store), so most
people would probably consider me to be a music snob, but it's gotten
to the point with me that I can spot one-hit wonders like nobody's
business, and I feel sorry for most people, and their music tastes,
because I know they're spending their hard-earned dollars on music
that is manufactured, soulless, dull, boring, unimaginative,
pointless, and is done by bands that couldn't give a fuck less about
the people who buy their bullshit, so long as it gets sold. So-called
"popular" music hasn't been even remotely good since the
70's, but hey, as long as people have something to shake their ass
to, cry themselves to sleep to, cut themselves to, beat their chest
to, or wear on their chest as a fashion statement, who am I to
question the current state of music?
Phillip: I don’t
pay attention to radio bands or trends. I leave that s#!% up to the
teenagers and dudes in neon clothes with mustaches.
Gavin:
What's your take on file sharing and how it affects you as a
musician?
Phillip: The collector nerd will still buy
the double LP Gatefold limited edition on 180 gram vinyl.
Gavin
H: It hasn't really
affected us to date. Personally, I think file sharing is a
double-edged sword. On one side, I don't like the idea of "stealing"
someone's work without their permission, but on the other side, I
like a lot of music that is either to hard to find in a physical
format, or is so expensive when I DO find it that it's just not
feasible. I don't like feeling that I need to shell out a hundred
bucks on eBay just to hear a record from a band I'm interested in. We
actually recorded a three-song demo with Andy Patterson in 2008 that
we ended up just burning onto CD-Rs, putting in hand-me-down
digipaks, and giving away. For us, it's more important that people
who want the music are able to get it than making money. Granted, we
won't be giving the CD away when it's released, but I'd rather have
someone who can't afford ten bucks or whatever it's going to cost be
straight-up with me and let me burn them a copy instead of them
downloading it online.
Gavin: What can we expect from
you guys the rest of the year?
Gavin H: As stated earlier, our debut CD, Electric Church, will
be out on Corruption Recordings sometime this summer, and they will
also be pressing t-shirts and such, which will be available directly
through the label or from us at shows. We would like to begin playing
live more often, and we will (slowly) begin working on new
material.
Phillip: More shows, new hate filled
material, tons of BBQ’s this summer, whiskey bent and hell
spent!
Gavin: Is there anything you'd like to plug or
promote?
Phillip: Electric Church will be out
this summer on Corruption Records. Check out the label and our new
t-shirts.
Gavin H: Obviously, we'd like to plug/promote the CD, as well as
encourage people check out Corruption Recordings by visiting their
website. Fuck trends, fuck listening to what other people force you
to listen to, and before you buy that next shitty t-shirt from Hot
Topic or that next weak-ass CD from FYE, I'd strongly suggest you
reconsider and save your money for something necessary or meaningful.
Additionally, consider this an open invitation to anyone who might be
interested in INVDRS to come have a beer with us, get loud, and get
fucking ugly.