After
years of on-and-off radio play and a television series in the middle,
one show recently took a turn to the podcast, and got fantastic
results.
--- The Geek Show Podcast has been running since
spring of this year, taking the best of the radio and television
versions of the show, and formatting it into a panel discussion
between some of the geekiest our state has to offer. And with
impressive numbers that stretch across the US and beyond, it doesn't
look like they'll be stopping anytime soon. I got a chance to chat
with creators Kerry Jackson and Jeff Vice, as well as the show's
producer Zack Shutt about the history of the show, how it moved to
podcasting, its current state and a few other questions that came to
mind.
The Geek Show Podcast (L-R: Marcus, Clark,
Jeff, Kerry, Zack, Derek, Scott, Leigh &
Shannon)
http://www.thegeekshowpodcast.com/
Gavin: Hey guys, first off, tell us who you are and a
little bit about yourselves.
Kerry: My name is Kerry
Jackson, I am the Host of The Geek Show Podcast. My real job is Host
of Radio From Hell, mornings M-F on X96.
Jeff: Jeff
Vice, movie critic/writer for the Deseret News. Full-time movie
critic for 10 years I believe.
Zack: I’m Zack and I
produce the show. I also talk about MegaMan frequently because...
Well, I’m obsessed.
Gavin: For those who are unaware,
what is The Geek Show Podcast?
Kerry: Its really just a
bunch of guys sitting around in my basement talking about stuff we
think is cool. Sci-Fi movies, TV, Comic books, games, action figures.
Everybody does it, we just record it.
Zack: An hour of
nothing but hilarious antics and geeky topics like movies, comics,
and really... Anything else. We also have a skilled impressionist on
the panel, Shannon — his impressions are always dead on.
Gavin:
How did the idea first come about to start the original versions on
RFH?
Kerry: I think it was because when Gina or Bill
are off for a day, I unintentionally would steer the conversation
into Geek. So I decided, when they have days off I would just call in
a ‘panel of fellow geeks’ and do it for real. It started almost
10 years ago.
Jeff: I believe it came about when I
first started doing my reviews for X-96. Kerry and I started geeking
out about something, either Bill or Gina said we should have our own
show to talk about it, and that got the ball rolling. Though it may
have been in Kerry's mind before then.
Gavin: How did
Jeff Vice get involved with the show?
Jeff: Through my
friendship with Kerry, and our mutual love of geek culture. And
through my connections to X96.
Kerry: Jeff came on
board when Sean Means left to have a baby. Luckily Jeff is a
childhood friend and Geekis Extremis. Total expert in film and comic
books.
Gavin: What led to the decision to do Sci-Fi
Sunday on Z24?
Jeff: It was an off-shoot of talking
about doing the Geek Show (then the Geek Chat) in a different form.
I'm not sure if Kerry contacted them first or vice-versa. We had some
meetings with the Z-24 higher-ups, brainstormed and that was what we
came up with. At first it was going to be a lot more like "Mystery
Science Theater 3000" but it mutated drastically.
Kerry:
Z24 called me and wanted to know if I would do ‘host segments’
around their Trek re-runs on Sunday nite. I called them back a day
later and told them My and Jeff’s idea. The segments would
reference the episodes that nite, and poke a little fun. Some inside
Trek jokes and such, plus give news on upcoming film, TV and toy
projects. Action Figure Theatre, which was us holding Star Wars toys
up to the camera and, faking their voices and making them do horrible
things. Lando meets the Invisible Woman…that kind of thing.
Gavin:
What was your reaction to having the show, as well as that set built
for it?
Kerry: I thought it was a great idea, so I was
happy someone said ‘do it how you want’. That’s what surprised
me, we had creative control. That doesn’t happen in corporate
media. That set was amazing! A pretty damn close re-creation of the
classic Enterprise bridge. We named our ship the USS Degenerate.
Lotsa hatemail from hardcore Trek fans for that, which to this day I
cant understand. One of our many goals with Geekshow, and by
extension the TV show, was always to try to get Hardcore Fans to
lighten up. I can laugh at Luke Skywalker and secretly want to be him
at the same time.
Jeff: It was fun... especially once
we got Shannon involved. But it was a lot of work. Especially for a
non-paying gig. One of our best days came when we finally got to see
the set. And got to "play" on it.
Gavin: A
lot of people don't know that you guys weren't getting paid to do it,
even though the show was getting good ratings. What was the deal
behind that?
Jeff: Z24 basically screwed us. They made
promises they had no intentions of ever keeping. At least that's the
way it seems now.
Kerry: The deal we were presented
with was do it for a while for free, if we see an increase in the
ratings we’ll pay you. Jeff and I did close to a years worth.
Writing, Producing, practically directing.
Gavin: What
was the final straw that eventually took the show off the
air?
Kerry: One of the Sales guys at Z24 showed us the
ratings. They had risen slowly but surely. After almost a year we met
with Management. They said “We love it, the ratings are up, we want
you guys to keep doing it. But we can't pay you now. Maybe in 6
months”. These guys thought that we would just dummy up and keep
doing it because we were having so much fun. In that very meeting we
said that we would not continue unless some sort of compensation was
given. That was that. We walked.
Jeff: The continuing
time and monetary commitment, plus various frustrations with some of
the production staff. It just became too much stress for too little
reward, sadly.
Gavin: Was there any attempt made to go
back on at another station, or were you pretty much done with TV at
that point?
Kerry: We didn’t make any attempt to do
it again. Still have kind of a bad taste in my mouth for small time
thinkers. I would love to work with someone to do this kind of thing
again, but the product must be paid for.
Jeff: We were
done at that point. At least I was.
Gavin: You took the
show back on radio from 9-10, what was the audience reaction to
having it back?
Kerry: Geek Show was on the radio at
the same time SciFi Sunday was in production. The radio edition has
been on, at least 5 times a year for the past 8 or 9 years.
Gavin:
The show was off-and-on for a few years, was it based of scheduling
and guests, or more when you felt like doing it?
Kerry:
When we had guests, or Bill was out of town, we have a Geek Show
radio edition.
Gavin: What eventually led to the idea
of doing a podcast? Also, what did it take to get everything set up
equipment wise, and how did you find Zack Shutt to produce it?
Jeff:
Kerry had been shopping it as a weekly AM show, a monthly FM show, a
cable-radio show, whatever. But this was the first time it really
clicked and became a reality.
Kerry: I could see that
the fans would listen to it on a regular basis if they could, but
there was no way I was going to drive non geeks away from X96 on a
regular basis. I knew a podcast was the answer, and tried to get it
started 3 years ago. But, I ran into the small think corporate
mentality again. Plus, I couldn’t find a computer guy savvy enough
to pull it off. Then the radio station hired Zack Shutt, and I knew
it had to happen now, so I rushed into production. I explained the
concept and asked Zack if he wanted in, and boom! I ran out and
bought all the gear and we recorded our first podcast episode a month
later. The vision was, a bunch of guys sitting in the basement
talking about Geeky stuff and recording it. Drinking, laughing,
making fun and loving a good fight scene.
Zack: Back
when I was an intern at X96 I set up the Radio From Hell podcast.
That was what led management at X96 to hiring me full time. I’ve
listened to the Geek Show on the air since before I was able to drive
a car, and when I found out that Kerry was interested in setting it
up as a podcast... How could I resist?
Gavin: Aside
from Jeff, how did the others get involved and eventually become a
part of the panel?
Kerry: The panelists are actually
all very old friends of mine. Shannon I have known since he was in
high school. He would runaway for days and sleep on my couch. One of
the funniest men I know. Jeff grew up in Payson, right next door to
me. He grew up to be a film critic so even better. Derek I met many
years ago and we just hit it off. Derek is the author/artist for
Pirate Club comics, soon to be in your TV lookie box. Scott Pierce, I
met through Jeff, TV critic and Buffy lover. Finally, Leigh George
Kade is an old friend that ObiWan’d me through some bad times. He
is an amazing artist and sculptor and is quite insane. Each one is a
friend AND brings an area of Geek expertise to the table.
Gavin:
What was it like recording the first episode, and how was the public
reaction to it?
Zack: Actually the first episode didn’t
even go up. Due to technical difficulties with a bad mixer, the first
show was never heard by anyone! But the first show we actually
COMPLETED and released probably wasn’t the best produced. With as
many panelists as we have I feel like the roadie of a 7-person ska
band trying to make everyone sound good, but lately I think the shows
have been sounding great. I’m working on having the ability for
listeners to call-in which will be new and exciting.
Kerry:
The first episode is lost. Technical problems ate it. It was our
first try so, I’m glad we had a ‘dress rehearsal’ so to speak.
The first episode that worked was downloaded around 8000 times over a
three day period. I was told that was good for a first time. Now we
average 18,000 and episode and the number is growing every
week.
Jeff: It was a lot like recording the radio
version, only more drunken. And I guess you'd have to ask the public.
My mind is still blown by the 10,000-plus weekly downloads!
Gavin:
The show has made quite an impression on the podcast community. What
do you think of podcasting today as a medium?
Kerry:
It’s a great medium. In the radio business everything is so
automated and syndicated anymore that the ‘new up and coming
talent’ are nowhere to be found. Great job security for people like
me. But with podcasts, you can really exercise your creativity and
not have a corporate overlord telling you that what you are doing is
wrong.
Jeff: It's the "reality-TV" of radio?
I dunno, it's got its good and bad aspects. There are a lot of
like-minded podcasts. Hopefully everyone will continue to listen to
ours.
Zack: I think of podcasting as an exciting new
form of media. I would liken it to when the first video signals
traveled across the air and there wasn’t a concrete broadcasting
method at that time, the content was harsh. However, it was
established and only a matter of time until it was perfected.
Gavin:
Who are some of your favorite podcasts you listen to?
Kerry:
The Geek Show panel love the Mediocre Show. I like Kevin
Smith’s.
Jeff: Mediocre Show and the various ones
Kevin Smith is connected to.
Zack: The Michael Castner
Show, You Suck At Web Design, and of course the always awesome
Mediocre Show (those guys are hilarious).
Gavin: You've
also got a good forum community going. Is it strange to see fan
participation over the show, or do you enjoy the idea of connecting
to all those listeners?
Jeff: Not really strange at
all. And I love being in touch with the fans. It's an obvious reason
why I'm such a regular presence on the forums.
Zack: I
enjoy being able to connect with listeners, and have listeners
connect with each other. I think forums and podcasts go hand in
hand.
Kerry: I think its great for geeks to connect
with like minded people. Lets face it, our hobby is not as socially
accepted as…sports for example. You wear a San Francisco football
t-shirt out and more than likely you’ll be greeted with a warm
hearted “Niners!” shout by the bartender. Wear a “StarFleet
Acadamy” shirt to the same bar? Good luck getting a refill on your
Romulan Ale.
Gavin: A little entertainment-wise, what
are you thoughts on comics today both good and bad, and is there
anything you think could be done to make them bigger or
better?
Kerry: Comics, I think, are at their biggest
and best right now. Excellent writing, the art is suitable for
framing. I see the price rising soon, and that’s going to hurt the
industry, but more so the local comic shops.
Jeff:
They're too expensive, and too corporate-driven. I still love comics,
but they may be irreparably damaged as a concept. Like newspapers
(sigh!), they may only survive in web form.
Gavin: Same
questions, only this time on the film industry.
Kerry:
Jeff would have a more expert opinion on this, but to me it’s a
great time to be a geek.
Jeff: They're also too
expensive, and too corporate-driven. Though comic book-driven
projects have definitely taken a big leap forward. Wish I could say
the same about horror, which has been one of my favorite genres for a
long time.
Gavin: Are you aiming to make merchandise
anytime soon, or is that a task that’s a long time away?
Zack:
We are planning on making merchandise before the end of this year —
that’s the plan at least.
Kerry: The obligatory
t-shirt is on the way, but were open to anything. Leigh has
threatened to make HeroClix of the panel members so we can invade
your role playing games. Mine would obviously have the power of
cynicism.
Gavin: You're up to 20 episodes as of this
interview. What would you say is the ultimate goal of the
show?
Kerry: I believe that there are more casual geeks
out there than the hardcores that give us all a bad name. I want
them. If you cant laugh at your favorite movie or whatever and still
love it to death... go find a show that caters to you. I think its
called
humorlessfanboywhotakesthingswaytoseriouslyandwillalwaysbealonepodcast.com.
The Empire Strikes Back is lauded as Thee Best Star Wars movie, and
that’s true. The panel loves it like it our child. But if you cant
see the unintentional humor that jumps out at you with bad dialogue
and sexual innuendo then I feel sorry for you. And if you get mad at
people who bring that stuff up, this podcast is NOT for you. You’ll
be one of those delusional parent who think their kid is the best
looking/smartest/most talented. Annoying.
Zack: It’s
really new and exciting with podcasting as a growing medium, our
goals change all the time. We have several things in the works right
now that—if worked out—could deliver the show to a bunch of new
geeks.
Jeff: To live long and prosper. And to keep
building an audience. And to have fun.
Gavin: What can
we expect from the show the rest of the year and going into
next?
Kerry: Were looking into TV, actually. We have
been approached by folks who want to televise it. Bad idea, I think.
I mean, it is just a bunch of guys sitting in a basement! But hey, if
they got money, we’ll see. We’ll just keep having a good time.
I’d love for the download numbers to double before the end of the
year. I think this thing belongs on satellite radio. Corporate radio
would find a way to ruin it.
Jeff: Less heavy-breathing
from me? Seriously, more geekery. We kind of go with the flow, and
the show is continuing to evolve and progress. We're still learning
not to talk over each other, for example. Maybe we'll become
"professionals".
Zack: From a technical
standpoint, I want to allow for more interaction from listeners on
the show itself. Among other things that are in the works.
Gavin:
Aside from the obvious, is there anything you’d like to plug or
promote?
Kerry: I’m so gay for Weezer right now, its
sickening. Just lock me in the basement with Lego Batman and a bottle
of whiskey and I’ll be fine.
Jeff: The Deseret News
Web site, especially the "Movies" section, which has the
most extensive listings on the web, as well as links to my reviews.
And the Black Cat Comics Forums, which I help "administer".
It's a great store that deserves support, as does Dr. Volts in
Holladay.
Zack: A couple of years ago myself and Todd
C. Noker (Todd Nuke‘Em from X96) wrote a novel titled Blogs Of
Wrath. We’ve released it for free online at
www.blogsofwrath.com, and
I’d invite anyone who’s interested to download it.