I
checked out Kilby Court last night after hearing one of Will
Sartain's projects The Future Of The Ghost was taking off on a two
month tour, and I had to grab an interview with them before they took
off for parts unknown.
--- Along to send them off was solo
artist Kathryn Cowles, Denver folk rock band Bad Werather California,
and just a pure rock band Tolchock Trio. Apparently Band Of Annuals
was also supposed to be there... but they weren't. I took some photos
and interviewed them all after they played.
Kathryn
Cowles
Gavin: What did you think of the
crowd tonight?
Kathryn: Oh it's a great crowd! I love
playing at Kilby because people are always here to listen to new
music which is always great for a musician.
Gavin: Tell
us a little about yourself.
Kathryn: I don't have much
of a career at the moment, I just play occasionally at shows like
this. I don't have a CD or anything, I'm pretty unprofessional. Both
of my parents are pianists so they got me into playing music, but I
wanted to play guitar and be different from everyone else in my
family.
Gavin: Cool. What artists influenced
you?
Kathryn: I really like Elliot Smith. I've loved
Elliot Smith since the days of the self-titled CD. I used to drive
around town when I was in high school listening to that and there
were four songs at the end I would listen to over and over
again.
Gavin: What's your opinion of the local music
scene?
Kathryn:
I think it's great. I haven't had a lot of exposure to music scenes
in other places, but there are some shining lights in our scene and
people who I think are so fantastic and could easily be national with
no problem at all. There are tons of bands like that and that's
really exciting. I wish there were more women in the scene, but one
can't always get what one wishes for. There are a number of women who
have great voices and are beautiful musicians here who I wish would
play more. But it's a great scene, everyone seems really friendly and
there are a lot of people who you can tell just love music and all
they want to do is make it better for the world. It's nice to be
around people like that.
Gavin: Nice. What's your
opinion of the current trends in music?
Kathryn: I
don't know. I tend to listen mostly to indie music and weird stuff
that nobody knows about. I often don't know about the people I ought
to know about. So I would say I'm not the best person to talk about
it. But a lot of people are boring on the national scene, they don't
pay any attention to lyrics or try anything experimental, or try to
play with things and write something new. I think it's important to
stop writing the same song over and over again which is why I tend to
like independent music because people don't pay attention to that
financial pressure to write the same pop song everybody's heard a
million times with the same rhymes and the same structure.
Gavin:
With that said, what do you think of the industry and the state it's
in right now?
Kathryn: I think it's having a difficult
time because people are writing bad songs that no one wants to listen
to, but I think also there's so much pressure being put on musicians.
It used to be that musicians had to be developed. You had Neil Young
playing with Crosby, Stills & Nash one moment and then he comes
out with his solo album and he's able to develop as an artist. Put
out albums and conceive of albums as an album instead of hit songs.
But now there's pressure to write hit songs all the time and I think
the music suffers from it and that's a fault of the industry. I feel
very little sympathy for companies that are saying “nobody's buying
our CD's anymore” and say it's the fault of music sharing. But I
think often times it's the fault of the music that's bad and nobody
cares or is willing to pay for it. I think they need to shape up a
bit before they can get so down on their audience. I buy every CD I
own and that's because I want to support local music and local
businesses, but I'm not going to buy crap music.
Gavin:
While we're on the subject, what's your opinion of file
sharing?
Kathryn: I'm not sure. At the moment I'm
working on a PHD in Poetry at the U, and the printed book has a
similar feeling. I'd rather have the actual printed word copy of the
book. I'd rather have the actual CD than just a file, I'd like to
have the art and have it in my hands. So for me that doesn't work at
all. But my dad is a crazy file sharer kind of guy and is really
interested in free music and he gives me CD's all the time. But as
for me even speaking as a musician, I tend to like to buy things and
support local musicians. Don't care about the record companies but I
like to support musicians, even if they only get ten cents. I also
like to go to concerts because that's how they support themselves
too. They used to not see a lot of that money.
Gavin:
Hey every download is a new bowl a ramen.
Kathryn: Yes
is it.
Gavin: You said you don't have a CD, are you
planning on working on one?
Kathryn: I need to, a lot
of people have been trying to get me to do one and I really should, I
don't know why I haven't. I'm just kind of a perfectionist, I've made
a few unprofessional records of myself and they make me really
unhappy. So I need to do it right and do it well when I do. I think I
will by the end of the summer.
Bad Weather
California (Adam Baumiester, Chris Adolf, Joe Sampson, Xandy
Whitesel)
http://www.myspace.com/badweathercalifornia
Gavin:
You're from Denver, what did you think of the Salt Lake
crowd?
Chris: We couldn't ask for better here,
honestly. Kilby court has been one of the best DIY all ages punk rock
venues in the country for at least the past eight years. It really is
the best place in the country.
Adam: I agree. It's the
second time we've been here and the crowd here was wonderful. One of
the best shows on tour for sure. Beats a lot of the places in L.A., I
like this place better.
Gavin: Tell us a little about
how your band came together.
Adam: Most of us all do
stuff in Denver. I work at a record store and have a band in Devner,
I've known Chris for years and Joe as well. We just all operate CD
stores and do stuff together in other bands for years. Xandy is also
a friend of ours, he used to do sound in one of the bars we'd play.
Chris has had tons of people in the band before us as sort of a
revolving cast, but we're trying to make it more stable as a band and
do more rock band style. Even doing some of my songs and Joe's
songs.
Gavin: What's your opinion of the current trends
out in music?
Adam: It's always been bad,
right?
Chris: It's always been rehashed. Some of the
hip-hop stuff I think is cool. Timberland and Justin Timberlake,
that's stuff is pretty cool. For the most part I think the best music
is in places like Kilby Court.
Gavin: Cool. What's your
opinion on the state of the music industry right now?
Chris:
A lot of people have written about that and said a lot and have a
lot of opinions on it and I honestly don't know enough about it to
make an opinion. It seems like it's changing very much.
Adam:
I work at a record store for years and know what's going on. The
whole record industry is on a downward spiral for major stores and
labels. I think music on the other hand is on the way up because kids
have more access to it through the internet. The store I work in is
independent, the kind that carries vinyl and stuff like that. In the
past year I've sold ten times more records than the previous years.
So I think the music industry is on the decline, while good music
stores who carry vinyl and support the local scenes and pay attention
are on the upswing. We made more this year than last year. There's
very few record stores across the country that can do that. Places
like Tower Records closed down last year.
Gavin: You
talked a little on file sharing, what's your opinion on that?
Chris:
It's not really a matter of supporting it or not, it's just out
there, If you make music and it's going to exist on the digital
format, it's going to be there for people to take. And I'm very
flattered that people would spend the two seconds it would takes to
download my album, I'm very flattered by that. It's nice that people
come to our shows and buy the records.
Adam: But that's
what happens. People could just go to a live show and buy a
CD.
Chris: One of our friends just put out a record on
a credit card format. You buy the card and go online and download the
full album. It's a tangible format that's also digital. I'm not
offended when people download my record, you just have to find other
ways to make ends meet. You can't rely on CD's anymore.
Adam:
You can't download band T-shirts. Belt buckles, scarves,
toothpaste.
Gavin: So you're aiming to be the KISS of
indie music?
Adam: We should be!
Gavin: You
currently have a CD out. Are you riding the success of this right
now, or are you working on new material?
Chris: The new
one is basically written and new songs do pop up so we'll add to it
as we go. We're working on it. This one has done okay, we've had a
few reviews on it which was very flattering, but it's done
okay.
Gavin: Any bands you recommend?
Chris:
Milton Melvin Croissant III, he's a guy in Denver making my
favorite music. And the a band named Pee Pee. Other than that we've
been listening to the classics. Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, Paul Simon,
things like that.
The Future Of The Ghost (Scott
Fetzer, Ryan Fedor, Will Sartain, Tommy Nguyen, Cathy
Foy)
http://www.myspace.com/thefutureoftheghost
Gavin:
What did you think of the crowd
tonight?
Will: It was awesome, this was probably one of
our best shows.
Gavin: Tell us a little about how you
came together.
Will: We've been a band for just over a
year, it started with just me and Cathy, then we got Tommy, and we
just picked up Scott. We just wanna have a band that changes the
world. That's all.
Cathy: We're going on tour in a few
days for two months. We're all really excited. We're traveling in a
Villager with turtles on the back.
Gavin: What artists
influenced you?
Will: Nirvana.
Cathy: Built
To Spill.
Scott: I'm hearing some Pixies.
Gavin:
What's your opinion on the local scene?
Will: It's
good. It's better than most.
Cathy: There's always new
bands forming and there's a lot of acts wanting to play. It's a good
music scene to be a part of.
Scott: A lot of my
favorite stuff that I really like that's been coming from the scene,
people that don't play out a lot and you'd have to know better are
the ones I like.
Gavin: What' your opinion on the music
industry?
Cathy: As far as being in a band I think our
attitude is we have to put our own energy into it. As far as touring
and putting out our own records, we financed it all ourselves, so
it's just interesting to have a real opinion of it when you're not
really a part of that food chain. Even though you are, I feel we
still fall outside of that. Nobody's giving us money or making money
off of us, and when you talk about the music industry you're talking
about a business structure.
Gavin: So then what's your
opinion on the current trends?
Cathy: It's really
interesting. I think there's always great music being made all the
time and it's just a matter of buying those records you like. I don't
really keep up on what the trends are or categorical trends like what
bands are “emo”. I don't even really know what that means, that
seems so abstract to me. Even hip-hop. I just think there's tons of
creative bands making good music all the time, and it depends if you
want to be a part of that musical community and whether or not you
wanna support those bands is the question.
Scott: I
conquer Cathy.
Gavin: You don't have an album out,
what's the situation on that?
Cathy: We are just
finishing recording an EP, its a six song CD that will come out for
our fall tour. That's pretty much done right now and when we get home
we'll press it.
Gavin: Indie label or DYI?
Cathy:
We've found a label, it's kind of on the hush-hush right now, but
we have one.
Gavin: With that in mind, what's your
opinion on file sharing?
Cathy: I just feel like we
live in an interesting time as far as digital music and music sharing
goes. For me the idea of hording your music in this day and age is
nearly impossible, you can't do it. I think bands would do best with
the attitude of sharing as much as they possibly can. That's the way
you get your music out there to people who normally wouldn't hear it.
So I don't have a problem with it at all.
Scott: I have
the same mind as Cathy on that one. You can spread the word about
your band on the web these days on your website or MySpace and
whatnot. So you can sell your own music on your website and make it
work better than some bands. I'm sure it's in every bands interest to
get distribution of CD's to be sold in record stores, that's nice
too.
Gavin: Any local bands you recommend?
Cathy:
Band of Annuals are amazing, Tolcholk Trio is amazing, The Red
Bennies are amazing, The Wolves are great.
Scott: Ether,
I've always liked them, they've been around for a while. And one of
my favorites here who is still around is Dale Lee, anything he does.
He has a band called Thirsty Alley around.
Tolchock
Trio (Ryan Fedor, Tommy Nguyen, Oliver Lewis, Dan
Thomas)
http://www.myspace.com/tolchocktrio
Gavin:
I know the crowd kinda left after
Ghost, but what did you think of what was left?
Oliver:
That's always my favorite because then you can tell who is
serious about wanting to be there sometimes, so we kind of like
it.
Ryan: Yeah, the diehards stuck around, and we
always seem to play our best when the crowd hates us. We played at
the X-Games and they didn't like us, and the last SLAMMY's show where
we played at a blues venue and they outright hated us, that was
fun.
Oliver: That whole crowd of 35 year old's who come
in “hey buddy, how's your condo? It's pretty good.” I hate those
people.
Ryan: Maybe three or four people paying
attention, we antagonize the audience sometimes.
Gavin:
Tell us a little about yourselves and how the band came
together.
Oliver: Just playing around, Salt Lake has
kind of a tight scene sometimes, it's kind of a small town in that
way. Dan came out from Minneapolis in 2000 and it just started up,
we've been together a long time.
Ryan: We used to all
be roommates back in 2000 or so. Me, Dan and Oliver all lived
together for about four years, moved around a bunch of places. So
when we first moved in we decided we were going to start this band,
and it's been going for about 6-7 years.
Oliver: At
first we were trying to fuse My Bloody Valentine with Wilco, and then
we realized that was stupid. So we just did whatever we wanted to do
from that point forward.
Gavin: What's your opinion of
the local scene here in Salt Lake?
Oliver: It's
alright. There's a lot of stuff I don't like but there's some
beautiful musicians out here, it's a pretty good scene and it's
pretty supportive. As far as a scene goes, if we just had four other
cities closer to us instead of a vast desert, we could do better.
There's a lot of awesome older dudes who we learned a lot from.
People like Dave Payne and Eli Morrison, Riley Fog.
Ryan:
Back in the older rockin' days we saw some greatness, and Kilby
Court used to be sort of all-ages whatever you want to do private
party all the time kind of place. Anything used to go here. But it's
a cool scene, kind of close knit, kind of intertwined. I think it's
cool. Lot of great musicians within it. I just wish there were more
musicians doing more “out there” stuff, there's a main core group
and then there's people who play in five bands.
Oliver:
And it's weird. Maybe it's just me being an old man, but it seems
like around 1999 there was more of an experimental feel. Do you know
what I'm talking about, Ryan? It just used to be more out there
then.
Ryan: I guess so, but I didn't really get into
the local scene here. When Red Bennies album first came out, or first
time I saw Ether was the real first local show I came to see. It was
amazing. But you used to see some spectacles going off, but now it's
more low key. The music's still good but we kind of wish someone
would come out and scare the crap out of us like they used
to.
Gavin: What artists influenced you?
Oliver:
The music we all get into together would be Wire, My Bloody
Valentine, Sonic Youth. Ryan, any?
Ryan:
Television.
Oliver: Those are sort of the touchstones
for the band and then we each have musical influences that are
diverse. Which is actually kinda great and it keeps us fresh and we
argue.
Ryan: I'm more into Brian May from Queen, which
I probably don't sound like.
Oliver: And I'm way into
Freddy Mercury, but I probably don't sound like it.
Gavin:
What's your opinion of current trends in music right now?
Oliver:
I don't have time to listen to anything but the stuff I like. Theres
so much good music I listen to that on the rest I just click Next. I
don't spend a lot of time mulling it over.
Ryan: I'm
kinda into more of the current R&B and hip-hop that's out right
now. I think there's a lot of cutting edge producers right now. I'm
not into a lot of the current mainstream rock band, but I think the
current hip-hop and R&B scenes right now are fresh and some cool
stuff is happening right now. I don't have money right now so I
haven't bought a lot of music lately, but the things I would buy is
stuff like Jay-Z.
Oliver: Plus with the way there are
so many ways of distributing music, is sort of hard to put a finger
on any kind of scene, there's so many going on at the same time. A
lot of people I know don't go to traditional media whatsoever to read
about and consume music anymore. It's all indie and DYI now. So it's
tough to track anything, it's all over the place.
Gavin: So
what would be your opinion on the current state of the music
industry?
Oliver: Oh, gotta get off the sinking ship
while you still can. Need to stay above it so you don't get sucked
down in with it.
Ryan: The model appears to be
changing, and I fear the people who stick to the old model and don't
adapt will get left behind. Digital appears to be the new thing, and
if there's money to be made they need to figure out how to do it. I
don't know if they'll do royalties for digital streams or what, but
it's going to be the Rick Ruben way of things where people do
subscriptions for whatever music you want. That's a little scary
because the musicians get paid in that kind of a system. We just had
the writers strike over digital distribution and that called all
types of trouble for that media, I'm sure it's going to be the same
kinds of problems when it comes to the music industry.
Oliver:
Some people won't go into it so easily. Have to take them kicking and
screaming.
Ryan: Yeah, it's the most exciting time
since they started selling records in the early days of music.
Gavin:
So then what is your opinion on file sharing?
Oliver:
If I see someone with my music and it's pirated? I don't really care
personally. And I don't really care if I have all the Rolling Stones
album sand I didn't pay for them. But it gets rough when there are
musicians out there trying to make a living, trying to quit that day
job and they can't get paid. So on that side I see it as a problem,
bot on the other side you can't stop it, you can't turn off the
spigot once it's on. There's a generation of kids used to taking
whatever they want whenever they want it for free, and like Ryan was
saying is that once that has happened there's no going back, you just
have to embrace it.
Ryan: I pretty much agree with
that.
Gavin: Current album plans?
Oliver:
Yeah, we have a brand new album as yet untitled that we've been
working on for way too long. Sorry to any fans who we've led along
But it should be out mid to late May and we'll be playing more shows
in the Salt Lake City area.
Gavin: Any local artists
you recommend?
Ryan: Ether Orchestra, The Wolves, Vile
Blue Shades, The Red Bennies.
Oliver: The Rubes, Taught
Me. And Future Of The Ghost.