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University House Tenants Forced to Move

Tenants of the soon-to-be-renovated building by the Utah campus are struggling to find housing because of criminal records.

By Eric S. Peterson
Photo by John Taylor 
Posted // July 13,2010 - When the Pioneer Theatre Company, located at the University of Utah, decided in June to purchase and rehabilitate the historic University House at 1310 E. 200 South as lodgings for traveling actors, planners knew the makeover would mean replacing more than a dilapidated interior—it would also mean displacing more than 40 low-income residents. But it’s not the bleak future of the housing recovery that’s really holding these tenants back so much as it is their own criminal pasts. Numerous tenants have come to the house because of its reputation for accommodating tenants with felony convictions, including sex crimes—the University House is currently home to 10 registered sex offenders—but these tenants now face a market where subsidized public housing won’t take them because of a federal rule that restricts renting to those with felony convictions. Most privately owned apartments don’t want them because of their criminal records.

In a small studio apartment at the University House, Norman Haga sits on a mattress on the ground that takes up most of the room, going through applications for apartments and copies of a complaint letter he is preparing to send to the Legislature. Haga, in his 50s, is a three-time convicted burglar, who has been out of jail for the past five years. That record, however, disqualifies him from most subsidized low-income housing with rents comparable to the University House, where tenants pay $400 to $450 per month.

“The poor and mostly disabled men and women of the University House are being kicked into the streets by the Cowboy Partners Inc., a corporation of well-to-do alumni of the University of Utah,” Haga writes in the letter he’s drafted. By fall 2011, the now 42-unit boarding house will be a 21-unit lodging reserved for traveling actors and stagehands to use while performing at nearby Pioneer Theatre. The $3.2 million project is funded by private donations. The theater has raised $2 million for the project from private philanthropic sources, such as longtime theater patrons Peter and Catherine Meldrum, who donated $1.2 million. Peter Meldrum is CEO of Myriad Genetics.

Cowboy Partners, the property development and management company renovating the building has offered tenants two months rent-free, $500 of moving assistance for tenants who leave before Aug. 1 and counseling on available affordable housing to ease the tenants into the rough housing market. The tenants also will receive all of their security deposit back, says Dan Lofgren, CEO of Cowboy Partners.

“We’re not naive about the challenges [tenants] will face,” Lofgren says. “We’ve tried to be as thoughtful as we could about it, but the use of that building was going to change whether it was us or someone else.”

The offer doesn’t console Haga much, who says he and other tenants with criminal pasts would likely need more than two months to find housing they can afford and that will accept them.

“There are some tenants who say, ‘I’m going to stay here until they kick me out, and then live on the street,’ ” Haga says. “Because there’s nothing out there.”

In the cramped apartment sitting on one corner of the mattress is “T,” a registered sex offender, who asked that his name be withheld. T was convicted in 1991 of a second-degree felony of sexual abuse of a child. Nearly 20 years without relapse, T still struggles with the stigma of his crime, citing numerous rejections for apartments because of his conviction.

“They say they want former sex offenders to become members of society again, but then they throw all these roadblocks in our way,” T says. “A lot of people just say ‘to hell with it,’ and commit a crime and go back to prison, where they got a place to sleep and have food every day.”

The fear that ex-cons might be pushed back into crime for the sake of “three hots and a cot”—as Haga describes the minimal guarantees of prison life—are troubling for local housing advocates. Sharon Abegglen, the director of housing for the Salt Lake Community Action Program, says her office has been working with Lofgren to see that the tenants have resources to find housing they can afford and that will accept them. For low-income Utahns with criminal records, however, that doesn’t leave a lot of options. “Frankly, what we tell them is to go to smaller landlords that do not run criminal background checks,” Abegglen says.

When Salt Lake City officially evicted the last tenants of The Regis, a single-room occupancy hotel on State Street in March, the city’s Redevelopment Agency had counted on those units being replaced with 49 new units at the renovated Rio Grande Hotel at 428 W. 300 South, plus the 60 units available at Palmer Court, at 999 S. Main. Both locations, however, include restrictions on sex offenders and individuals with criminal records.

“There’s no replacement housing going up for that population,” Abegglen says. While Abegglen says SLCAP struggles to find housing for indigent tenants with criminal records, she also says SLCAP has its hands full dealing with the demand for housing for all low-income demographics, especially families. Abegglen’s organization regularly helps individuals and families looking for assistance with security deposits for apartments, usually several hundred requests a month. She recalls one time that her organization helped a sex offender with a security deposit, only to have the neighbors complain to the city the next day.

“People are leery, very leery [of sex offenders].” Abegglen says.

Councilman Luke Garrott, whose district include the University House, recognizes that the failure to address this kind of market is bad policy, but he also recognizes a big factor in the debate goes back to federal rules.

“It’s important we don’t stigmatize these people and create a radical, two-tier affordable housing market,” Garrott says. “But federal rules may be causing that to happen.”

Garrott says some of the major workforce housing projects, like the redevelopment of the old State Street SROs by developer Ben Logue, which are designed to create a mix of low- and middle-income units as well as retail outlets, are the only projects viable in the current economy. But the federal tax credits the developer will use come with strings attached that will shut out those with criminal records.

“It seems to me that most of the housing built in Salt Lake right now is using high-density federal tax credits,” Garrott says. “They’re the only people who can get loans.” Federal rules or not, Garrott also recognizes that housing rights for ex-cons and sex offenders is not the most politically popular issue to fight for, which is why discussions of the subject often get left on the backburner.

Meanwhile, residents like Haga and T are attempting to find new homes. For Haga, living on $674 a month of disability pay, he and his wife struggle with rental applications that can cost up to $45 to pay for background checks. T also worries about where he’ll end up, since he is currently finishing up a bachelor’s degree in history at the University of Utah, where he also works.

“They either want to keep me in prison forever or have me sleeping under the viaduct in a cardboard box,” he says.

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Posted // July 21,2010 at 16:26

Ah, f*&k it!

Last post for me. Probably for good as I am already embarassed and will be more so once I spill the beans on this public venue. Probably won't come around here anymore, though I'll miss it. This is the only place I post to in internetland. No facebook, no myspace, no other blogs, nothing.

I post here because I like the writers, the stories they provide and the publication. I've read the Weekly for years. I enjoy debating and have found some very smart individuals here that have provided me with some excellent conversations, at times, resulting in me changing my opinion.

I've been very impressed with certain writers here, know that some of them have paid attention to the things I've written, and do not want to leave them with the thought that I, too, am just another common a**hole. But maybe I am? For my sake, I hope not.

Listen, I've had some experiences in my life that literally propel me toward saying the things I've said regarding the men mentioned in this article.

This article set off certain emotions that I am prisoner to. These emotions are destructive and foolish, but inescapable. Wish I could purge certain things from my mind and never think of them again. In that sense, I completely empathize with these dudes. Sh*t happens in life, don't it gentlemen? Most people are suffering in one way or another, trying to live from one day to the next. I understand that. I live that.

I am far from cruel and am more compassionate than any of you might believe after reading my words here. I am kind to people. I care about people. If I had the choice, I would not have Tony or Norman (or any other human being) sleeping on the streets and would prefer that every person has equal access to life's basic necessities, like housing.

Jesus, but ain't this hard?

I would like to apologize to Tony and Norman. I don't know you. I don't know what you've suffered through in life. I don't know why you've done the things you've done. You've submitted to the system and have apparently done what is necessary to satisfy your terms. You guys deserve a place to live, regardless of what you've done, and society should not make finding the things you need harder to come by because of your past. Of course, I would prefer that you provide those things for yourselves, if you are able.

Everybody should have a place to live, food to eat, access to medical care, and the chance to do better by themselves, the people that know them, and society in general.

This doesn't mean I like you, Norman. I have a feeling that you've done some very bad things to people and my instincts are pretty sharp. But I owe you an apology, none the less. I am sorry and wish you well.

Amy, I would like to commend you on your efforts here. You did a fine job stating your case and your compassion and understanding are personal assets that will contribute to a good life for you. I have those same traits, but mine have been trampled a bit and are hard to access sometimes. I'll try harder.

I can't believe I'm going to hit the submit button...

Adios!

 

Posted // July 22,2010 at 10:00 - Thanks for that, Mamba. Sure do appreciate it.

 

Posted // July 22,2010 at 09:43 - Hayduke, don't even think about toodling off into the sunset. How many posts have I made on stories here because they touched a raw nerve in my life's experience? Lots. And lots. We all have baggage we're lugging around (= luggage!). You know that I'm all for throwing the book at people who deserve it by their actions. I just can't wrap my head around grinding them down to dust after they've done their time and "paid their debt to society," as it were.

 

Posted // July 22,2010 at 08:45 - I don't give a f*ck what you do, Norman. I don't care about your bipolar crap. I don't care about you in the slightest. You're a parasite.

 

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Posted // July 21,2010 at 12:57

Actually Don Kauffer, I never said I had been out of jail five years. What I told to Eric Peterson was that I had been out of prison since August 2005. I can understand the misreporting because many do not distinguish between jail and prison. You do not have to take my word for this though, there were two witnesses besides Eric that were present and a digital recording was made.

Now that we have reached the root of your incense and invective the problem still remains. The issue was never about me. I and "T" were the vehicles (you still rent claptrap vehicles in N.M. and Wa. correct, but lost your computer contract to either Granite or Jordon school district because you were renting ten year old junk as late model computers right?) of the article. The intent behind the article was two-fold: bringing to awareness that low income housing is being razed and converted, but not replaced; and the plight that ex-felons/cons are subjected to in finding the necessity of life called housing.

I generally will not go into a persons crime as a matter of integrity. In the case of 'T', I will give the circumstances of his crime but not his name. "T" was 19 at the time and at work he fondled the breast of a 15 year old employee. For this act he received a 1 to 15. 'T' was also ordered to pay all counseling bills that the girl received for the act. 'T' did all 15 years day for day. He never received a bill for the girls treatment because she never needed or wanted any. So here you are also wrong. Sexual predator my @$$. Repeat offender my @$$. You not knowing anything about the situation but mouthing off VERY TRUE. Your bias is showing.

You are also mouthing off about no test available for bipolar disease. A simple blood test reveals abnormal levels of adrenaline, l-dopamine, and serotonin. Examination of a deceased bipolar individuals brain reveals holes in the brain similar to that of a schizophrenic. In fact, it is thought that bipolar disease and schizoprenia anchor one end of a disease that has a spectrum. Bipolar can also be seen as abnormally active area's in a PET scan that people without bipolar or schizoprenia do not show.

The situation is, as the article brought out, is the bias or prejudice that is shown towards people that criminal records, whether on paper or not, when they attempt to find housing, or for that matter, employment. Everyone screams about protection and the revolving door syndrome but fails to realize that they create the situation by refusing housing that the men and women can afford. This situation is exacerbated by the claims of various housing authorities that HUD has resrictions. The claim of restrictions by HUD is bogus in all cases, except those of sexual and violent offenders, it is an artificial construct by the local housing authorities. I determined that bold statement by directly addressing the Salt Lake City and County Housing authorities and contacting HUD. Though eligble, I did not choose government housing. The reasons are my own.

When a person breaks through all the hogwash, they find that the various agencies attempt to restrict them far beyond what is sane. In some of the housing a person cannot have their own internet connection and must use the filtered internet connection provided. Drug offenders must submit to weekly drug tests. In some of the housing your entry in and out of your SRO is electronically recorded and your visitors must sign in and out and show picture ID each time. In that same unit all of the hallways are recorded 24/7 and the staff can and do enter and sometimes search your residence without notification required by law. That same unit also asserts, if you ask, informs that they only have studio's; yet I have it on paper that they do have one bedrooms available, and yes I am on the list a year down the line though I would refuse that unit because of the restrictions.

As I said before Mr. Kaufer, you lack credibility and from the face of it, even knowledge of what you speak of. BTW, do you still live in that nice Rambler with the gravel U drive-way in Highland.

 

Posted // July 21,2010 at 16:14 - We can sit here and go round and round forever but in the end the issue here is that a class of people are being discriminated against. This is something we cannot allow to happen no matter WHO they are. Lets end the discrimination and then we can split hairs about the minor details. Even Hitler should not be discriminated against. We should not allow ourselves to stoop to that kind of level. It is not just affordable housing that is difficult (if not impossible) for felons to acquire, but ANY housing. And now misdemeanors are being considered reasons for disqualification when trying to rent. Whats next? Maybe we should divide society up into groups and segregate them. Oh ya we tried that...

 

Posted // July 21,2010 at 15:04 - You have no business discussing Tony's escapades and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate that you've done so. Because you are a liar and a thief, Norman, you have no credibility and your word means nothing. So I suppose it doesn't matter, either way. But you should apologize to Tony for discussing his personal business, real or invented. Don't bother mentioning integrity to me, thief, because you wouldn't recognize it if it was glued to your chest. According to Wikipedia, there is no blood test for bipolar disorder. If you decide to cut your brain open, let me know. I love anatomy. The article also claims the disorder affects 5 million Americans. Do you think they're all criminals like you, using a fairly common mental disorder to excuse their actions? Of course there is bias towards you, Norm. You're a thief several times over. The type that breaks into homes and businesses. Nobody likes burglars, it ain't rocket science. And most citizens feel that people that have not committed such crimes deserve more than those that do, because few are interested in supporting somebody that has done nothing to earn that support and everything to repel it. That'd be you, bud. If you don't like it, get a job and pay your own way; try it for a change. If you refuse to do that much, don't complain that you aren't getting enough free stuff from society. This quote of yours, "BTW, do you still live in that nice Rambler with the gravel U drive-way in Highland.", could be construed as a threat, and is telling of your criminal mindset. I am not Don, idiot. I am somebody that cannot tolerate thieves like you. I am somebody that cannot tolerate pedophiles. Call it a mental disorder. I've been posting comments to this blog for years. You might want to do a little search before going too far, doing another stupid thing with your useless life, and finding yourself in prison again. Waste your time writing more if you must. I've said my piece, eloquently, logically, rationally, emotionally, and now, rudely. There's nothing more I have to say regarding your self-inflicted plight. YOU are to blame for your problems, Norm. Nobody else.

 

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Posted // July 20,2010 at 21:08

For all you idiots that wish to make comments about either my disability or my maybe having burglarized dozens of houses.

I am bipolar with schizophrenic tendencies. To the ignorant it means I have mood shifts that make PMS seem like a sunday picnic in the park. Those mood shifts are so severe that I hallucinate at times. You like sleep. Well sometimes my disorder keeps me from sleeping for over a week at a time. My condition is severe enough that I am moitored three times a week and can easily be placed in jail for a week or two for not showing at one of those minitored sessions. It is no fun having the phsiological/psychological condition I have and I will gladly trade my Social Security for you mental and physical health.

Hayduke, your name would not be Don Kauffer would it; the guy who stole a consignment of $30,000 from Norman would it. Was it your wife that gave a poster of Norman given to her by the South Salt Lake Police to a non-witness (Don Johnson) turning that person into a witness. Just how did you pursuade the court to disallow that evidence (you can check the appeals on line). You have no credibility.

For those that wish to make smart remarks about what I may or may not have robbed. Just think, all that nice hardware hanging on your wall is useless. A nice effort by somone that is bilking you because if one wanted to enter your business, it is a simple matter. Just think of what I could have done if I were not trying to stay legal. Yet here you are justifying yourselves in putting me down and keeping me down.

Fortunately, just after this article a kind lady saw fit to allow me a place to rent, even though she knew my background.

Thanks to this experience, I have thought of seeking federal grants to help others in this same situation. I also learned that the excuses given in the article of HUD not allowing people with criminal records is a convienent excuse, even if a bogus excuse.

I thank all you for the experience. Just remember, I am trying to keep it legal.

 

Posted // September 23,2010 at 23:11 - for those self righteous who have never done anything wrong,have you ever thought that those sex offenders might have been offended themselves? most of them have and that might have heavily contributed to their offense,some have deep psychological scars, some may not even have known they were going become sex offenders,bottom line you yourself may or may not have been previously offended or you may or may not one day do it, but lets suppose you will, what shall we the righteous members of society do with you or your kid who one day may offend;can we lock you up and trow away the key and never let your child get out or if you or heshe do get out into society and put you on the registry and close all the doors to you even to the point that you cannot even live with your five yr old son or visit him until he turns 18, would you be all right w/all that and then some? what ever happen with a little forgiveness? shouldn't we also stone prostitutes to death and also the ones that got laid with them and also the drunk driver who killed a mother and a child in a car accident(i'm sure it wasn't planned)while intoxicated and while we are at it all the drug dealers,starting with the legal practicing ones like pharmacist and doctors for dealing with drugs.common we are all human we are all stupid and do stupid things from time to time,there is a lot human time bombs out there,you may be the next.what shall we do with you? does any body out there believe in the God of israel any more? how would you like for Him to trough away the key on you? not so cool ahh?

 

Posted // July 21,2010 at 09:05 - By the way, Norman, thanks for confirming that you are, indeed, Norman Andrew Haga. The same guy that was in jail in December of 2009, the same that lied for this article (one of one million lies in your life, I imagine), saying you haven't been in jail in five years, and the same dick that took a crap on somebody's floor after you robbed them. You're probably lying about your "condition", too. There is no test for bipolar disease. Anybody can feign symptoms, especially professional manipulators like you, especially the vague symptoms associated with bipolar disease. Nah, Normie, I'm pretty sure you're just another useless criminal on the take. Whether you're stealing disability or televisions, you probably always will be.

 

Posted // July 21,2010 at 08:15 - "For those that wish to make smart remarks about what I may or may not have robbed. Just think, all that nice hardware hanging on your wall is useless. A nice effort by somone that is bilking you because if one wanted to enter your business, it is a simple matter." Spoken like a true piece of sh*t. That's like saying it would be easy to stab somebody because you have a knife, but you're not going to just because. It's like saying it would easy to ram a cyclist because you have a car and the convenient excuse of the sun in your eyes, but you won't because you're not in the mood. I couldn't care less about your mood swings. You're not the only one dealing with problems, mental, physical or otherwise. I know bipolar people that have never done anything to harm anybody. No, you're not the only one with problems, you're just too weak and pathetic to deal with them properly. Try to avoid robbing the woman the gave you a place to live. And try accepting responsibility for your life instead of washing away your actions with excuses. Might do you some good.

 

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Posted // July 16,2010 at 13:12

I wonder if Norman's middle name is Andrew. Looks very plausible. If so, he was in jail as late as December 2009, meaning he has not been out of the system for five years as he claimed in this article.

Additionally there is some very interesting reading (court records) available involving Norman Andrew Haga and his criminal escapades, including one victim finding that Norman had literally defecated on the floor of his business after burglarizing it. Nice touch there, Norm.

 

Amy
Posted // July 21,2010 at 13:51 - Hayduke You mentioned fair sentencing for criminals. We have a justice system and while it may be flawed, it is the system that is in place. It is not a perfect system and no one has ever claimed that is the case. If you disagree with the system then you need to be actively working to address what you think are the problems in the system. You may not believe the justice system is fair, and it probably isn’t, I know that people with money have a very different experience with the system than people without. But as I said it is the system we have. As has been mentioned many times in this discussion, the laws/ rules are applied to everyone who is a convicted felon or register sex offender. So once the justice system has released the individual, there are still restrictions on their activities, and some of their civil rights. But according to our system they have been punished, and “repaid their debt to society”. Making it impossible for them to get affordable housing is wrong, and does not make our society any safer.

 

Posted // July 19,2010 at 15:56 - Good answer, Amy. I mean that. But there is one major flaw to all this and it is something that you and others have brought up to defend your arguments. It is that of fair sentencing for criminals. Many criminals (pedophiles, rapists, murderers) ruin their victim's life, and the lives of those who love them, forever. I do not believe that these criminals are entitled to anything, especially a clean slate, but including social services given to them by the very society they helped to destroy. If a criminal's victim suffers for their entire life, so, too, should the criminal. That is fair. I don't believe that it is unfair for a pedophile or serial burglar or any other felon to find it more difficult to land subsidized housing than the non-felon. To me, that is fair. And if the criminals in this article (one, a pedophile, the other, a serial burglar) want more from life than they're currently taking, they are welcome to stop sucking society's tit and fend for themselves. I'll be excusing myself from this blog now as I've put a helluva lot into it and wish to avoid delving any deeper lest somebody begins quoting from The Republic, in which, by the way, the criminals in this article would not fair well.

 

Amy
Posted // July 19,2010 at 15:32 - Yes, it is fair for someone who is a convicted felon or sex offender who has served their sentence to get services to which they are entitled. If because of funding issues they get services that my mother or other member of my family can’t get then that is still fair. They are not being punished again for their crimes, and my mother or family are not being treated differently than anyone else who is denied aid because of funding. While that my sound nave I have worked with the homeless, and know people who are felons and registered sex offenders. People make stupid, bad and inconceivable choices in their lives. I do not agree or condone their actions and choices but I have and will always treat them as fellow human beings. How they or anyone else chooses to respond to that is their problem, not mine.

 

Posted // July 19,2010 at 15:22 - "I think that depends on whether you're talking about an active rapist or someone who committed rape once, was caught, sentenced and punished according the society's wishes and laws." Funny you mention that, Mamba. With the way our judicial system operates today, do you believe that our criminals are actually punished according to society's wishes? All you need, as a criminal of any caliber, is a legal loophole and you're out on the street again. Is that justice?

 

Posted // July 19,2010 at 15:03 - I think that depends on whether you're talking about an active rapist or someone who committed rape once, was caught, sentenced and punished according the society's wishes and laws. At some point, after they've done their time, you have to stop punishing them. I had a big dose of this recently with a family member in jail on drug charges. He was sent to a court-ordered drug rehab unit and what appalled me is the way he was treated, as a good inmate, while in the f*cking jail. If you take someone's freedom away from them as punishment, fine. They deserved it. But to treat them like they are still committing crimes while incarcerated and doing their time is foolish and inhumane. They lost their freedom, they lost all privileges, they lost all conveniences, they have fines, bail, probation meetings, drug tests for probation, counseling sessions, class sessions, take showers and do their toilet business in front of total strangers and eat really terrible food. Sleep is a luxury. There's a reason people go insane in jail or prison. To keep punishing them after they are out and attending probation meetings and trying to find work is, to me, absolutley nuts. It becomes vengeance at that point, not justice. Another good friend has a 19 year old in Seattle who got busted with "illegal fireworks" in the car. They hit that kid with a felony; he can't own a gun or vote or apply for a security clearance or join the military. Nineteen years old and, like someone said here about doing things we've all done but not gotten caught, his life will never be what it could have been. He can eventually get it expunged for employers, but not he govt. Their computer sees all, expungement or not.

 

Posted // July 19,2010 at 14:41 - Agreed, Amy. This rule does apply to other felons, and that is one point I've been trying to make. So, you don't think that an individual's criminal past should have any bearing on the services they receive from the society and the people therein that they've abused? Do you believe, then, that felons such as child molesters and serial burglars are as entitled to social services as, say, your own mother? Would you, then, not mind if a rapist receives services that your mother needs and is entitled to, but does not get because they're gone by the time her name comes up? The rapist lives in a free apartment while your mother continues to struggle. Would that, in your mind, be fair? Would it be just?

 

Amy
Posted // July 19,2010 at 14:23 - Yes this article mentions 2 individuals but they are not the sum total of the problem. The federal housing rules mentioned apply to everyone convicted of a felony and/or registered sex offenders. Not just the 2 people in this article. I am not condoning the actions of these people but the details their particular crimes are irrelevant to the discussion of the issue of housing for convicted felons /registerd sex offenders.

 

Posted // July 19,2010 at 08:55 - Let us just look at this point realistically. Unless I've got the wrong person here, and it doesn't look that way, Haga lied for this article. He said he's been out of jail for five years. In reality, he was in jail this past December. If this is the same Norman Haga, he is a proven liar, user, and manipulator and he is working his magic on certain folks here. Interesting that Norman's defenders have chosen to ignore this post.

 

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Posted // July 14,2010 at 16:39

They're moderating comments to put a chilling effect on discussion. I used zero foul language, but since I disagreed with Hayduke - especially his barb about disability - I guess that makes me a defender of sex offenders and my opinion null and void. Why even have a comment section, if you only allow one-sided comments?

 

Posted // July 15,2010 at 10:11 - I will debate you on this, Weak, but only if you give me good reason to. Before I spend my time on this thread, I request that you first describe your understanding of justice. Do that well, and I'll debate you. Otherwise, my initial comments regarding this subject are fine and I stand by them.

 

Posted // July 15,2010 at 09:22 - I don't know what happened to the comment that Weak is referring to, but I have a copy and will post it here for you: Ever heard of the punishment fitting the crime? You really think that making it harder for these guys to find even a studio (would _you_ want to live in a studio?) for the rest of their lives is equitable for their crimes? And your jibe about Haga's disability income says a lot more about you than it does about Haga - that remark was really classy of you. What a nice person you must be. What poetic justice if you (god forbid) were to get injured on the job, draw social security disability, and have people talk crap about you because of it. Try putting yourself in someone else's shoes, and letting the stink air out of your own self-righteous ones for a while. Just for a while, man. Then go right back to your well-deserved nose-in-the-air piety.

 

Posted // July 14,2010 at 17:11 - Hayduke is a person of limited capacity to reason and spiritually deprived... and should not be allowed to rent or to be employed. It is perfectly legal for me to discriminate against him for those reasons :)

 

 
 
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