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Measles Vaccinations, Open Government, Teenage Suicide

By Katharine Biele
Posted // April 20,2011 -

SAD.jpgMeasles, Schmeasles
kids of the Holladay family who brought the measles back from Poland are posting online about how “lame” it is to be kept at home just because they aren’t immunized. The anti-vaccination movement has taken off among Utah “free-willers” and people around the nation who still believe that vaccinations cause autism. That notion was debunked when it was found that the man who published the “evidence” had manipulated it and made other ethical breaches. But scientific reasoning doesn’t stop those who don’t want to follow rules. Take seat belts. Pat Jones of Dan Jones & Associates recently interviewed a focus group of people who don’t wear seat belts. Why? Because they felt restricted, were good drivers and didn’t like the government telling them what to do. They probably don’t pay taxes, either.


Voters Like Access to Info
A BYU poll by the Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy found that 78 percent of Utah voters think “the public’s right to access information about government business” outweighs legislators’ right to privacy. Stunningly, those same people pretty much kicked the arguments in the dirt. Only 6 percent thought the administrative cost of records searches was a problem, and a measly 2 percent thought legislators’ right to privacy was a big deal. Meanwhile, the GRAMA Working Group continues to labor under paranoia and misperceptions of legislative responsibility. Yet The Salt Lake Tribune contends the group “moved closer … to focusing on what revisions may be needed to balance access, privacy, transparency and government efficiency.” No agenda and polarized debate—this is focus?

SAD.jpgReason for Teen Despair

A recent study published in the journal Pediatrics found that teenage suicide is more likely to happen in politically conservative areas with few Democrats. Utah may not want to hear that, but it may be a reason the state remains one of the highest in the nation for teen suicides. The Pediatrics article focused mostly on gay teens, who experienced intolerance and lack of support from their communities. These are not conservative values, but somehow the idea of tolerance has become associated with liberal (socialistic?) thinking in the United States. Is it true conservatives are intolerant of people not exactly like them? And if that’s true, isn’t a monolithic society actually a socialistic idea? This article gives us all an opportunity to think it through. 

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Posted // April 21,2011 at 10:03

I say, let the unimmunized die. Raise the overall IQ of Utahrds.


Posted // April 20,2011 at 20:15

Back in the dark ages we didn't have a mesles vacine. My guess is that there were more deaths and complications from measles than there are chances of causing problems by having the vacine. We are lucky to have modern medicine and yet there are those who don't want their children "defiled" by the vacines. It is for their own safety that they are required to receive the vacines. It doesn't seem to bother people that every time they drink acohol they damage their body nor does it stop people from smoking. Why is it that vacines pose such a problem? Chances of problems are very slight.


Posted // April 26,2011 at 09:56 - It's the same superstitious cowboy-era crap that caused the local patriots to fear water flouridation, even though every dental organization and health research entity was enouraging it. How easy it is to stampede those whose belief systems are so inexplicably fragile and naive. Ever see people getting out of their cars with empty plastic jugs to fill up at springs and so-called "spring-fed" taps? How about those stupid "filling" stations in stores? Buy a goddam water filter, you morons, unless you think letting us see you parade around town gathering containers of "special" water is something to be proud about. It sounds more like some kind of compulsive-obsessive dysfunction.


Posted // April 20,2011 at 14:42 Science? These "free willies" don't need no science! But...they shouldn't be profiting from government technological advances, either. Let them spread their "free will" and "bad gubmint" lies from the rooftops ... or use a town crier. "Hear Ye, Hear Ye - have you heard the good news about Amway?"


Posted // April 25,2011 at 11:19 - It does not make any logical sense whatsoever to expose everyone you come in contact with to a medieval disease because a tiny fraction of innoculants MIGHT come down with an adverse reaction. The autism link has been thoroughly and completely debunked and Jenny McCarthy will have to find another way to stay in the public eye. I read the comments in the Trib editorial section over the weekend from a frustrated father of immune-compromised students in the Millcreek area where a plague of measles just broke out and Megan, he's an attorney and his comments are made just for someone like you. He told the story of how horribly irresponsible it was for a Millcreek family to have members come home from vacationing in Poland, where there is a big, loud, publicized Measles plague happening. No vaccinations, uh-uh, boy, not for this family of fiercely independent Utahns, nope, no sir! They simply brought it back home where it rolled through the 'burbs because other simple, er, independent-minded people decided they didn't need to vaccinate their kids, either. So, I hope that "independence" from gummint intrusion was worth the impact on school attendance (this guy's kid has to stay out and fall behind in months-worth of schoolwork), freaked-out an entire township, interfered with school funding/scheduling (a day missed is a day not funded for the student) and generally really pissed-off those responsible parents who vaccinated their kids. So, Megan, it's not really about you. We're not that into you. We're more concerned what someone with a lack of sense of logic, epedemiological understanding and public health maintenance is capable of doing.


Posted // April 21,2011 at 10:10 - @Megan- You have no understanding of science. The scientific method (let me know if I go too fast) is NEVER 100% certain. You see, the thing w science is, when there is new information (which happens a lot) "science" will CHANGE IT'S MIND. There is plenty to say about pharmaceuticals skewing studies to get drugs on the market, and I certainly agree w the bit about lawsuits. But most vaccinations have been around and used successfully for decades.


Posted // April 20,2011 at 12:36

It's not only a conservative area that leads to teen suicides, but also when parents don't support their kids.

9 out of 10 LGBTQ teens reports being bullied at home, and when there is bullying at home, too, what's left? Some teens are kicked out and that is the reason there is such a high percentage of homeless LGBTQ teens in Salt Lake City. Maybe "family values" should be about loving, and not judging, others, especially our kids.